There was unfinished business in that old thread!
He needs to score more goals to ever be a legit top 6 center on a great team. His passing game isn't good enough to compensate.
one season.50+ points and top 10 in Selke voting is a legit top 6 centre. I know people don't like admitting they were wrong about him, but its not a debate anymore.
one season.
one season.
50+ points and top 10 in Selke voting is a legit top 6 centre. I know people don't like admitting they were wrong about him, but its not a debate anymore.
On a mediocre team sure. That was my point.
Because nobody would ever use "top 10 in Selke" unless he's trying to make someone laugh.
Guys like Jay MccLement were once top 10 in selke. Thats what happens when you're overplayed in a big market team. Put him in Florida or Carolina and he doesn't sniff all these 4th or 5th place votes.
This team would have signed Frans Nielsen long term (another top 10 Selke candidate) and kept Barzal on the third line. That's how backwards this team and it trickles down to the fanbase. Somehow, its acceptable to be an ok playmaker and score 13 goals with the 4 best wingers the team has had since the last lockout.
He needs to score more. Period. That or improve his playmaking. As of now, he's an overused middle 6 center.
On a mediocre team sure. That was my point.
Because nobody would ever use "top 10 in Selke" unless he's trying to make someone laugh.
Guys like Jay MccLement were once top 10 in selke. Thats what happens when you're overplayed in a big market team. Put him in Florida or Carolina and he doesn't sniff all these 4th or 5th place votes.
This team would have signed Frans Nielsen long term (another top 10 Selke candidate) and kept Barzal on the third line. That's how backwards this team and it trickles down to the fanbase. Somehow, its acceptable to be an ok playmaker and score 13 goals with the 4 best wingers the team has had since the last lockout.
He needs to score more. Period. That or improve his playmaking. As of now, he's an overused middle 6 center.
In 2 3 years Dunno will need a new contract, hell be paid 6 millions to be a 3rd C?1.Kotka
2.Poehling
3.Danault
In 2/3 years hopefully. Domi on Kotka’s LW..
In 2 3 years Dunno will need a new contract, hell be paid 6 millions to be a 3rd C?
Top 10 in Selke is obviously an achievement, if your only argument is that once a defensive specialist was also top 10 then you need to re-evaluate something.
I'll also repeat something else I just said. 32nd in even strength points among NHL centres. How is that middle six production? Both of his wingers had career years, that wouldn't have been possible if he was the offensive black hole you are pretending he is.
This is not how things work in real life.He will only be paid 6mm if he’s playing like a 6mm player, which is a good problem to have. If he is only a lowly 3rd line C he will get paid market value for 3 C.
This is not how things work in real life.
Danault is playing over his head right now, hes playing 19 minutes a night, as much as most 1C out there, he's nowhere near as good as the money he will want, and to be fair, he's right to ask for that money.
He played 17:47 last year with almost no PP time and 55 percent d zone starts. Closer to 3 C then 1 C.
Happy to discuss the player buts lets agree on a baseline here. This is a guy that has good linemates but plays a mostly defensive role. He was our shutdown C last year.
Not true, there, for your education : Pas question d'utiliser Phillip Danault en avantage numérique | Mathias Brunet | HockeyHe had no PP time, because he's not that good in the Power play...
He played 17:47 last year with almost no PP time and 55 percent d zone starts. Closer to 3 C then 1 C.
Happy to discuss the player buts lets agree on a baseline here. This is a guy that has good linemates but plays a mostly defensive role. He was our shutdown C last year.
Not true, there, for your education : Pas question d'utiliser Phillip Danault en avantage numérique | Mathias Brunet | Hockey
Yeah, why shoud I be comparing Danault to his comparables ? I really should be re-evaluating something here . Nielsen was what Danault is and what you won't be finding on the top 6 of teams with cup aspirations.
And how strange is it that the two best wingers on the team would (barely) have career years in a year where a number of players did seeing as, you know, scoring was significantly higher this year.
And you can repeat something that doesn't help your argument as much as you'd like. Are either 32nd in ES or 45th in point production 1st line center numbers ? No. So, that would put him on the fringe of the top 6... like a middle 6 center that gets overplayed.
You can also repeat that 32nd ES production as much as you want. I mean, it's not like his two wingers were scoring goals in bunches at ES. And it's not like they've also historically been great ES scorers, even -shocking- without Danault. And it's not like Danault had the most secondary assists on the team while being 6th in centers for secondary assists .
Oh, and there's this small stat that shows Danaults Corsi plummets without Tatar/Gallagher, while it's not the case for these two without their two usual linemates.
Hmmmm, really makes you think about what could be at play here.
Doesnt matter what you think he's used at, 18 minutes on average isn't 3C, its closer to 1C. Hes gonna want that money, every player in history got paid this way.
You said 19 first, now you are at 18, the actual number is 17:47. No need to make stuff up, The Google has all this info for free.