Player Discussion Phillip Danault - “Suppression Specialist” Edition

[Cobra Commander]

I agree completely on Kotkaniemi and I invite you to read my post when he was sendt to Laval. I received many likes for that post and it surprised me. We have no control on the money that will be spendt on the next Danault's contract. I don't think he and his agent will be too greedy, like Price and Subban and their agents were. But because he never broke the barrier of 30 goals I don't think he will be overpaid so much. Bergevin have many millions under the salary cap and I hope he will get a true talent some day with all that money and let's hope he will choose the right player.

I hope you’re right my man.

 

[Deluded Puck]

I agree completely on Kotkaniemi and I invite you to read my post when he was sendt to Laval. I received many likes for that post and it surprised me. We have no control on the money that will be spendt on the next Danault's contract. I don't think he and his agent will be too greedy, like Price and Subban and their agents were. But because he never broke the barrier of 30 goals I don't think he will be overpaid so much. Bergevin have many millions under the salary cap and I hope he will get a true talent some day with all that money and let's hope he will choose the right player.

When you are performing at an elite level you have a right to be "greedy".

Don't forget our captain is on a contract that he signed as an offer sheet.

Please don't mention Danault in the same stratosphere as Price and Subban ever again.

 

[Sorinth]

Kopitar over Kane is a big joke , Kane will end up as the best US born offensive player ever to play the game. Clutch in the playoffs (over multiple runs) , has all the hardware you'd expect...I don't know how there can be any logic for Kopitar over Kane. It's a really big discredit to how consistently elite Patrick Kane has been over the last decade.

Kane is better offensively, but the difference isn't that big. Kane has played 13 seasons including this year, in 4 of those seasons Kopitar had produced more points, and 2 of them they finished with the same number of points. Like Kane, Kopitar also has been clutch in the playoffs over multiple runs and has the hardware you'd expect.

I'd take Kopitar because the difference in offence is made up by Kopitar's Selke level defensive play.

 

[JoelWarlord]

When you are performing at an elite level you have a right to be "greedy".

Don't forget our captain is on a contract that he signed as an offer sheet.

And that we gave Subban an insulting bridge deal and asked him to prove it then somehow he was "greedy" for asking to get paid after he won the f***ing Norris.

The fake deflated AAV mega deals have screwed with perceptions so much. Subban signed an 8 year/72M deal with a 9M AAV. The first 8 years of Weber's deal pay 92M for a 11.5M AAV under current rules. Somehow Subban is the greedy one for asking to get paid 2.5M/yr less in actual dollars than Weber after winning a Norris.

 

[CauZuki]

Kane is better offensively, but the difference isn't that big. Kane has played 13 seasons including this year, in 4 of those seasons Kopitar had produced more points, and 2 of them they finished with the same number of points. Like Kane, Kopitar also has been clutch in the playoffs over multiple runs and has the hardware you'd expect.

I'd take Kopitar because the difference in offence is made up by Kopitar's Selke level defensive play.

So Kopitar doesn't have a Conn Smythe , Hart or Art Ross...
Kane has nearly 100 points over Kopitar with a season less of hockey played...Yeah it's not nearly as close as your representing especially when talking about high end producers a difference like that matters a lot. I'm not hating on Kopitar he's an elite two-way forward but Kane's offensive production is nearly generational with incredible consistency.

 

[angusyoung]

Danault was really toothless agaisnt the Marchand line tonight, at least spaghetti should be easy enough for him to eat but perhaps he isn't in the mood for pasta...

 

[Sorinth]

So Kopitar doesn't have a Conn Smythe , Hart or Art Ross...
Kane has nearly 100 points over Kopitar with a season less of hockey played...Yeah it's not nearly as close as your representing especially when talking about high end producers a difference like that matters a lot.

Kane has 5 individual trophies and was nominated but didn't win 1. Kopitar has 3 individual trophies and was nominated but didn't win 4 times. The difference isn't that big. And it's funny how you talk about being consistently elite, Kopitar finished top-3 in Selke voting for 4 times in 5 years, that's consistency, whereas for Kane apart from one year where he was the best, he only finished top-3 one other time and was not nominated for the Hart before/after. That's not the hallmark of someone who is consistently elite.

Over an 82 game season the difference is 13.6 points which I'll grant you is a decent amount, but we are also comparing a Selke player to a guy who for most of his career has been considered a liability defensively. I'll take the guy who puts up points and is amazing defensively over the guy who puts up a few more points but isn't good defensively.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

When you are performing at an elite level you have a right to be "greedy".

Don't forget our captain is on a contract that he signed as an offer sheet.

Please don't mention Danault in the same stratosphere as Price and Subban ever again.

There is greedy and greedy. Too greedy is when you ask way too much. If Price is paid 10,5M, how much should we pay the back-up goalie if we want a quality back-up goalie? Let's say 3,5M if we want quality. It makes 14M$ total just for goalies. And how about the rest of the team? Don't you think with a money ranking like that we'll be stock with low quality everywhere else like centers, wingers and defense? Subban is another insane contract, similar to our captain. Subban today is declining fast because of back injuries, he is an average D, very overpaid.

Price, Subban and Danault are all nhl players, so I found a way to fit them in the same stratosphere, like it or not, lol. Actually nobody can say Danault is overpaid, while everybody can say Price and Subban are largely overpaid. A team like Boston pay the players the right price and look at theit line-up, they are able to have a well equilibrated team without any weakness. All the opposite of the Habs with an huge desiquilibrated team in term of money spendt and talent.

 

[BLONG7]

Give him a break. He came out of an injury, his mouth have been broken. I salute his courage for return to play.

This...PD had a bad night, I mean a bad night, but salute him for even being in the lineup. That being said, it was his mouth and the pain of it all. not sure what happened to his legs, and hockey sense...the Bruins made him look bad all night.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

This...PD had a bad night, I mean a bad night, but salute him for even being in the lineup. That being said, it was his mouth and the pain of it all. not sure what happened to his legs, and hockey sense...the Bruins made him look bad all night.

To have this pain and being affraid of having another hit on his mouth is enough to make him lose his concentration. On the first face off the Bruins player hit him on the side of his head, no respect for the injured player. If Deslaurier was in the line up that player would have a meeting with him but the Habs are too stupid to keep an inforcer in the team. Anyway, Danault is not the only one player on the team but Danault's haters will blame only him for that loss. Like if there wasn't nobody else on that team. I saw Boston as a team who play a tight system of play more than the skills of Pastrnak. There is too many Habs players playing a bad system of play. Not sure they are playing Julien's system.

 

[Mrb1p]

Kopitar over Kane is a big joke , Kane will end up as the best US born offensive player ever to play the game. Clutch in the playoffs (over multiple runs) , has all the hardware you'd expect...I don't know how there can be any logic for Kopitar over Kane. It's a really big discredit to how consistently elite Patrick Kane has been over the last decade.

Well to be fair Kopitar will also end up being the best player from his own country

 

[cphabs]

And that we gave Subban an insulting bridge deal and asked him to prove it then somehow he was "greedy" for asking to get paid after he won the ****ing Norris.

The fake deflated AAV mega deals have screwed with perceptions so much. Subban signed an 8 year/72M deal with a 9M AAV. The first 8 years of Weber's deal pay 92M for a 11.5M AAV under current rules. Somehow Subban is the greedy one for asking to get paid 2.5M/yr less in actual dollars than Weber after winning a Norris.

PK’s Norris doesn’t count. It was a truncated season.

 

[angusyoung]

PK’s Norris doesn’t count. It was a truncated season.

Hitting the thesaurus much lately? lol.

 

[ahmedou]

It has to be temporary this experiment. No way it's forever. That must be the consensus right here.

 

[Cobra Commander]

It has to be temporary this experiment. No way it's forever. That must be the consensus right here.

Experiment? I think you mean abomination.

 

[Deluded Puck]

There is greedy and greedy. Too greedy is when you ask way too much. If Price is paid 10,5M, how much should we pay the back-up goalie if we want a quality back-up goalie? Let's say 3,5M if we want quality. It makes 14M$ total just for goalies. And how about the rest of the team? Don't you think with a money ranking like that we'll be stock with low quality everywhere else like centers, wingers and defense? Subban is another insane contract, similar to our captain. Subban today is declining fast because of back injuries, he is an average D, very overpaid.

Price, Subban and Danault are all nhl players, so I found a way to fit them in the same stratosphere, like it or not, lol. Actually nobody can say Danault is overpaid, while everybody can say Price and Subban are largely overpaid. A team like Boston pay the players the right price and look at theit line-up, they are able to have a well equilibrated team without any weakness. All the opposite of the Habs with an huge desiquilibrated team in term of money spendt and talent.

Is it Subban and Price’s fault that they were so much better than their teammates, or is it on the people who constructed the Roster?

The reason why Boston’s players aren’t “greedy” is because they’ve got a very complete roster (plus management who are consistently willing to make trades to let go of players at the right time and have a great production pipeline) they have several players consistently performing at a high level... Bergeron at Selke, Chara was at Norris level for years, Marchand became an elite scorer, so has Pasta... Krug became a good offensive D, McAvoy, Rask knows that he’s very good but the defensive recorded isn’t solely down to him, so on and so on.

In the Therrien era it was literally all on Price and Subban, what other players did we have that sniffed league awards or got in all star contention? Pacioretty maybe, but he was far too streaky.

In Montreal we delude ourselves that Desharnais, Gallagher, Danault etc. are top line players on amazing value contracts for their production, there’s the reason for your salary imbalance.

 

[Deluded Puck]

PK’s Norris doesn’t count. It was a truncated season.

His 2 finalist positions in 14-15 and 17-18 I consider more of a validation.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Kane is better offensively, but the difference isn't that big. Kane has played 13 seasons including this year, in 4 of those seasons Kopitar had produced more points, and 2 of them they finished with the same number of points. Like Kane, Kopitar also has been clutch in the playoffs over multiple runs and has the hardware you'd expect.

I'd take Kopitar because the difference in offence is made up by Kopitar's Selke level defensive play.

Tough call and coming in late to this conversation but yeah, think I take Kopitar as well. BPA or by need?

 

[angusyoung]

His 2 finalist positions in 14-15 and 17-18 I consider more of a validation.

Where as most would consider it marketing.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Is it Subban and Price’s fault that they were so much better than their teammates, or is it on the people who constructed the Roster?

The reason why Boston’s players aren’t “greedy” is because they’ve got a very complete roster (plus management who are consistently willing to make trades to let go of players at the right time and have a great production pipeline) they have several players consistently performing at a high level... Bergeron at Selke, Chara was at Norris level for years, Marchand became an elite scorer, so has Pasta... Krug became a good offensive D, McAvoy, Rask knows that he’s very good but the defensive recorded isn’t solely down to him, so on and so on.

In the Therrien era it was literally all on Price and Subban, what other players did we have that sniffed league awards or got in all star contention? Pacioretty maybe, but he was far too streaky.

In Montreal we delude ourselves that Desharnais, Gallagher, Danault etc. are top line players on amazing value contracts for their production, there’s the reason for your salary imbalance.

But none of those players were overpaid.
Also, Price and Subban took advantage of their talent and utility in the team to ask the moon when it was time to negociate, something Koivu and Markov didn't, something the Bruins players didn't either.

 

[Sorinth]

But none of those players were overpaid.
Also, Price and Subban took advantage of their talent and utility in the team to ask the moon when it was time to negociate, something Koivu and Markov didn't, something the Bruins players didn't either.

Subban wasn't greedy, his contract was one of the first for big name D under the new rules where you couldn't artifically lower the cap hit. On top of that he was forced into taking a deal way below his value because he lacked arbitration rights. Had we signed him for the deal he actually wanted he would have been an amazing value contract.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Pretty sure Subban took advantage of an idiot gm who did not want to bridge deal him in the first place so he went on to win the Norris and rub it into said idiots face , didint he go to arbitration?? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Sorinth]

Pretty sure Subban took advantage of an idiot gm who did not want to bridge deal him in the first place so he went on to win the Norris and rub it into said idiots face , didint he go to arbitration?? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No it was Subban that didn't want the bridge deal and Bergevin insisting on a short term "show me" deal. Subban was rumored to be looking at 5 years at 5-6m. After the bridge deal he went to arbitration but they signed the 9m deal before the arbitor made his ruling.

And it's worth mentioning we actually could've signed him to one of those cap circumventing deals had we wanted to since they were legal before the lockout began in September.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Pretty sure Subban took advantage of an idiot gm who did not want to bridge deal him in the first place so he went on to win the Norris and rub it into said idiots face , didint he go to arbitration?? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If Bergevin had some vision he would have easily signed him to an 8 year @ 6 mil dollar contract before the stupid bridge deal.

Bergevin is HORRIBLE at cap management. Clueless on how to assemble a team.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Yup my bad I forgot that Subban was coming OFF the bridge deal when there were rumours of him wanting to extend for 6 years. That's the idiot move I was referring too, not signing him to a 6 y after the bridge