Player Discussion Phillip Danault - “Suppression Specialist” Edition

[Cobra Commander]

Suzuki is officially the 1C now, he’s on a different level as a rookie that Danault will never reach. When Kotkaniemi comes back to the NHL and proves just how much better he is than Danault... Phil is a 3C and shouldn’t be offered more than 4.5 -5 mil per year.

Feb 8th edit.

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[Whitesnake]

So...Danault is being used as the No1 C because of the language he speaks? So...what Claude Julien is actually doing is trying real hard to be fired 'cause he places his franco bias before winning? Can somebody please give you reasons to believe that Claude Julien is biased towards francophone players. And please, try to do that while realizing that there are only 2 franco players on this team.

To say that Kotkaniemi is ready 'cause he had a great 1st season is just laughable. So many players had 1 great season and then went south to never come back. The kid is 19 freakin years old. Yet, in a season where he had a terrible preseason, he was ready to be the No1 centerman of this team while he can't win faceoffs, has all the trouble in the world to play defensive hockey, and can't stay on his legs?

Player Discussion - Phillip Danault - First line Center Edition

 

[Mrb1p]

No matter where we think he should be in the lineup, I think we can all agree that we want him on our team.

I do, but not at any price.

 

[admiralcadillac]

So...Danault is being used as the No1 C because of the language he speaks? So...what Claude Julien is actually doing is trying real hard to be fired 'cause he places his franco bias before winning? Can somebody please give you reasons to believe that Claude Julien is biased towards francophone players. And please, try to do that while realizing that there are only 2 franco players on this team.

2 is far too many for some it seems.

 

[Mrb1p]

So...Danault is being used as the No1 C because of the language he speaks? So...what Claude Julien is actually doing is trying real hard to be fired 'cause he places his franco bias before winning? Can somebody please give you reasons to believe that Claude Julien is biased towards francophone players. And please, try to do that while realizing that there are only 2 franco players on this team.

Player Discussion - Phillip Danault - First line Center Edition

Hes not, hes not even a quebecer. What he has is a real bias towards the hard working underdog though.

 

[HabsDood]

Projection, post all-star break, Tatar - Danault - Gallagher, the best 3rd line in the league?


What's our 1st line moving forward?

 

[Whitesnake]

Hes not, hes not even a quebecer. What he has is a real bias towards the hard working underdog though.

Strange 'cause on the other anti-franco post, you liked the fact that this poster accused me of prefering Quebecers ahead of winning and that Danault was the NO1 C because he was a Quebecer....you are sometimes tough to follow...

 

[26Mats]

Projection, post all-star break, Tatar - Danault - Gallagher, the best 3rd line in the league?


What's our 1st line moving forward?

Discuss

I'm pretty sure Claude's depth chart is something like:

Tatar Danault Gallagher
Kovalchuk Domi Suzuki
Drouin Kotkaniemi Armia
Poehling/Byron Thompson Lehkonen

 

[ahmedou]

Let's stick to the hockey stuffs. Argument have to be constructive.

 

[HabsDood]

I'm pretty sure Claude's depth chart is something like:

Tatar Danault Gallagher
Kovalchuk Domi Suzuki
Drouin Kotkaniemi Armia
Poehling/Byron Thompson Lehkonen

Cool line-up

Kovalchuk Domi Suzuki
Drouin Kotkaniemi Armia
Tatar Danault Gallagher
Byron Poehling Lehkonen

 

[Mrb1p]

Strange 'cause on the other anti-franco post, you liked the fact that this poster accused me of prefering Quebecers ahead of winning and that Danault was the NO1 C because he was a Quebecer....you are sometimes tough to follow...

Maybe I liked some other part of the post?

 

[Cobra Commander]

I do, but not at any price.

I agree, I want him at maximum 5 million, I would be willing to give him 8 years, and I would explain to him that he will be going to the 3C position when Suzuki and Kotkaniemi are ready. Even though I think Suzuki can be 1C as of right now.

 

[Mrb1p]

I agree, I want him at maximum 5 million, I would be willing to give him 8 years, and I would explain to him that he will be going to the 3C position when Suzuki and Kotkaniemi are ready. Even though I think Suzuki can be 1C as of right now.

Even 5 millions is hefty for a 3rd liner. Especially when Poehling should give the team similar production and impact at ELC and RFA numbers.

In a perfect world youd sign your core players only and cycle the complementary players for maximum savings. The Habs dont have anyone that should be getting 10+ though, so Im not sure it will matter.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Even 5 millions is hefty for a 3rd liner. Especially when Poehling should give the team similar production and impact at ELC and RFA numbers.

In a perfect world youd sign your core players only and cycle the complementary players for maximum savings. The Habs dont have anyone that should be getting 10+ though, so Im not sure it will matter.

I totally agree with signing the core player and cycling the complementary players for maximum savings, that’s how you build a team properly. I’m not sure yet if Poehling will be as good as Danault though, and maybe Poehling ends up on the wing who knows. I don’t consider Phil a core player, if he had more offensive skill I definitely would.

 

[peate]

3.5 mil for playing hockey, 1.5 for being: "Un p'tit gars d'chez nous".

 

[ZUKI]

Even 5 millions is hefty for a 3rd liner. Especially when Poehling should give the team similar production and impact at ELC and RFA numbers.

In a perfect world youd sign your core players only and cycle the complementary players for maximum savings. The Habs dont have anyone that should be getting 10+ though, so Im not sure it will matter.

This thread is about Danault . Can you stick to the subject instead of hijacking the thread with that 3rd liner theory that doesn't fit with the discussion . Thanks .

 

[Mrb1p]

I totally agree with signing the core player and cycling the complementary players for maximum savings, that’s how you build a team properly. I’m not sure yet if Poehling will be as good as Danault though, and maybe Poehling ends up on the wing who knows. I don’t consider Phil a core player, if he had more offensive skill I definitely would.

I dont think you should ever consider your 4th or 5th best forward a core player.

Taking the example of the beautifully built Hawks (Thank you Dale Tallon)
Kane, Toews, Sharp were core as forwards and Keith Seabrook as defenders, they kept those around and won with a variety of different combinations. Bowman later fell in love with his role players like Shaw, Bickell, etc.

 

[Deluded Puck]

So...Danault is being used as the No1 C because of the language he speaks? So...what Claude Julien is actually doing is trying real hard to be fired 'cause he places his franco bias before winning? Can somebody please give you reasons to believe that Claude Julien is biased towards francophone players. And please, try to do that while realizing that there are only 2 franco players on this team.

To say that Kotkaniemi is ready 'cause he had a great 1st season is just laughable. So many players had 1 great season and then went south to never come back. The kid is 19 freakin years old. Yet, in a season where he had a terrible preseason, he was ready to be the No1 centerman of this team while he can't win faceoffs, has all the trouble in the world to play defensive hockey, and can't stay on his legs?

Player Discussion - Phillip Danault - First line Center Edition

Oh FFS. I never said this AT ALL. I was speculating where some of the grumbling I hear about Danault comes from.

We are in a 27 year drought.

The league is more global than ever.

The Habs are in a historically bad stretch, we are crying out for improvements.

We've had ownership say they'll only hire French coaches.

There's outside pressure from certain people that the Habs should be doing more to help represent Quebec and preserve French-Canadian culture (I don't want to get too political but there's definitely a sentiment from the provincial region that Montreal the city is too cosmopolitan and has lost touch, I'll leave it at that).

Unfortunately the backlash to this mix is that the perception Habs don't care about winning anymore.... so if we are icing a weak lineup with a player like Danault in a prominent role that is too big for him, he'll unfairly come in for criticism, when as I stressed, IT'S NOT HIS FAULT.

I listed other players as examples this decade who I saw come in for similar treatment, Desharnais being the most obvious example, as people fell in love with his story but then it became "hang on he's not that good" and when he started struggling, he was very obviously protected by local media.

Ultimately I think people just want us to win (we all do) and they don't want any political interference in the way of that.

 

[1909]

Oh FFS. I never said this AT ALL. I was speculating where some of the grumbling I hear about Danault comes from.

We are in a 27 year drought.

The league is more global than ever.

The Habs are in a historically bad stretch, we are crying out for improvements.

We've had ownership say they'll only hire French coaches.

There's outside pressure from certain people that the Habs should be doing more to help represent Quebec and preserve French-Canadian culture (I don't want to get too political but there's definitely a sentiment from the provincial region that Montreal the city is too cosmopolitan and has lost touch, I'll leave it at that).

Unfortunately the backlash to this mix is that the perception Habs don't care about winning anymore.... so if we are icing a weak lineup with a player like Danault in a prominent role that is too big for him, he'll unfairly come in for criticism, when as I stressed, IT'S NOT HIS FAULT.

I listed other players as examples this decade who I saw come in for similar treatment, Desharnais being the most obvious example, as people fell in love with his story but then it became "hang on he's not that good" and when he started struggling, he was very obviously protected by local media.

Ultimately I think people just want us to win (we all do) and they don't want any political interference in the way of that.

If it's more global than never before, how come we have 31 headcoaches born in North America ?

Anyway.... When that type of thread will end up ?

 

[Mario le Magnifique]

Another primary assist for Danault, he luckily, randomly thrown a puck in a random direction, luck being on his side, he hit the goalie left pad for a juicy rebound, lotsa luck going on here, and Kovalchuk was able to put it in easily, I'm guessing PD must be the luckiest hockey player ever, being as bad as he is. Right ? Right ?

 

[Mario le Magnifique]

I dont think you should ever consider your 4th or 5th best forward a core player.

Taking the example of the beautifully built Hawks (Thank you Dale Tallon)
Kane, Toews, Sharp were core as forwards and Keith Seabrook as defenders, they kept those around and won with a variety of different combinations. Bowman later fell in love with his role players like Shaw, Bickell, etc.

What about Brandon Saad ? Isn't he a bit like Danault (stats wise, 200ft player and all that). You can't be serious when you say you don't keep your 4th or 5th best player as a core player lol EA sports NHL20 it isn't. It's not easy for a GM to replace guys like Danault, he is a net positive for any team. Please, stop the crusade it makes you look like a fool, as I recall you like PD as a shutdown 3rd line center, just be patient and this should happen in the future (Suzuki and KK being #1 and #2 in a few years)

 

[Whitesnake]

Oh FFS. I never said this AT ALL. I was speculating where some of the grumbling I hear about Danault comes from.

Thank god I wasn't responding to you in that instance....I even took the time to add the post that was saying that.

 

[Mrb1p]

What about Brandon Saad ? Isn't he a bit like Danault (stats wise, 200ft player and all that). You can't be serious when you say you don't keep your 4th or 5th best player as a core player lol EA sports NHL20 it isn't. It's not easy for a GM to replace guys like Danault, he is a net positive for any team. Please, stop the crusade it makes you look like a fool, as I recall you like PD as a shutdown 3rd line center, just be patient and this should happen in the future (Suzuki and KK being #1 and #2 in a few years)

Saad won one cup and he was traded away.

 

[BLONG7]

Another primary assist for Danault, he luckily, randomly thrown a puck in a random direction, luck being on his side, he hit the goalie left pad for a juicy rebound, lotsa luck going on here, and Kovalchuk was able to put it in easily, I'm guessing PD must be the luckiest hockey player ever, being as bad as he is. Right ? Right ?

Typical post...someone doesn't agree with what you say, and this is what you bring to the discussion.

This board continues to spiral down the way MB has done to the Habs.

Absolutely nowhere in this thread, has ANYONE said PD is a bad hockey player, except you.

I respect everyone's opinion, but this is just a terrible post....not sure if this is baiting or not, but terrible all the same.

 

[WinterLion]

The big question is how much will he be asking for? Will his contract keep us from signing Domi or Gally or others... there are some choices to make methinks