The Couturier Effect
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OT: Philadelphia Phillies (MLB): Senior Citizens Bank Park
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If you told me he'd be getting that before the year started I would have been thrilled
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35/130 isn't even close to his pay. His pay is 50/150, which will never happen.
29/110 is not that good.
JDinkalage Morgoone
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But I think that's realistic given what he's been doing. It's not his money but I think at this point it would be good to see.
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While it may be good for him, considering his past couple of years and given the state of the lack of power in other areas (3rd & LF), they need him to be better.
A 30/110 1st baseman is not the worst in the world, but when 3rd & LF are complete black holes of power, it doesn't help. And Utley has a billion doubles, but only 2 HRs, so now there is another spot you hope to get some HR pop. And obviously CF is like having a 15 year old out there.
JDinkalage Morgoone
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Yeah I dont disagree that he needs to be better to make up for the lack of power throughout the lineup. I just know that his likely ceiling will be ~30-35 homers, and I think we should probably be happy when he gets there lol
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Utley has 4 homers but your point still stands.
I'll gladly take the doubles though. He's on a crazy pace, record setting pace, that obviously won't continue but it's kinda hard to complain over all when he's having an All-Star year.
I'll gladly take the doubles though. He's on a crazy pace, record setting pace, that obviously won't continue but it's kinda hard to complain over all when he's having an All-Star year.
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.319 OBP isn't acceptable from a cleanup hitter/first baseman. If they would just let Howard hit righties that would get better.
At least he's doing his usual Jekyll and Hyde act with runners on/bases empty:
Nobody on base: .188/.244/.313; 52 wRC+
Men on: .282/.371/.534; 141 wRC+
RISP: .258/.360/.532; 129 wRC+
At least he's doing his usual Jekyll and Hyde act with runners on/bases empty:
Nobody on base: .188/.244/.313; 52 wRC+
Men on: .282/.371/.534; 141 wRC+
RISP: .258/.360/.532; 129 wRC+
JDinkalage Morgoone
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It sucks but he's probably the best trade piece after Lee. I wanted him to be a Phillies lifer, but if he can get us some good prospects to retool then it is for the best.
However, that said, I don't trust Amaro to even come close to capitalizing on his market value. He'll probably trade Utley for 2 middle relievers, a utility infielder and a pitching coach
What they should do is fire RAJ immediately and either appoint Wade or Gillick interim GM. Wade did a good job with their firesale in Houston. I think in another year Hamels could have some good trade value as it is about $20 million less and he would only be 31. Utley should be traded, as should Burnett and Byrd.
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I never want to see Utley in anything but a Phillies uniform. I don't care what type of return he brings, my man crush on him is that big. 
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I never want to see Utley in anything but a Phillies uniform. I don't care what type of return he brings, my man crush on him is that big.
I want the Phillies to get back to competing for championships. If Utley brings a return that makes that more likely/come sooner, then I'd sadly let him go. The Phillies are so incredibly far from being a winner right now that it's going to take drastic measures to allow it to happen over some timeframe less than 5-10 years.
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The sad part is the Phillies haven't bottomed out yet. You bottom out when you fire sale the team, Amaro won't do that.
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zarley zelepukin
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I think that's the ownership's approach as much as it is Amaro's. I'm okay with it. This isn't the NBA; you can get better through the draft and trades without being terrible but you have to scout and develop well, and you have to make smart trades.
That might not sound like something the Phillies are capable of, but they would need to do the same if they were to gut the team and start over. And remember, the Phillies have produced a number of good prospects even in years when they weren't picking super high in the draft. It's just that they traded them all away for Halladay, Lee, Oswalt and Pence.
Besides, they have the 7th pick in the upcoming draft, which is a pretty high pick and they didn't have to gut the team to do that. And they've shown recently that they're willing to be sellers at times, like when they traded Pence to the Giants. Depending on where the team is in the race, they'll look to move Byrd and Burnett, and maybe some other guys depending on the return.
The only worry I have as far as trading guys away is the awful and ridiculous 2nd wildcard keeping the Phillies in the race artificially, and leading to them trying to buy when they should sell.
JDinkalage Morgoone
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They've lost my faith in drafting recently. I hope Crawford changes that but it seems like they've gone with guys with high athleticism and not necessarily "baseball" players, if that makes any sense.
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