OT: Philadelphia Phillies (MLB): Christmas In July: Cole For Everyone!

[Hurricane28]

If Mazara isn't in it, no deal. This is one of the best LHP's in the league ur gonna have to pay at least one of your top 3 prospects. Add to that, Hamels is locked up for a price cheaper than anyone at his level where you would have to outbid for their services in the FA market this winter

 

[zarley zelepukin]

building the new phillies not sure what players will get with all these hopeful trades nor how long it will take to build. so lets do it this way.

who in our farm system is good and worth being on phillies, some are on team right now. but how long will it take to find the new CORE PLAYERS the one's who will be good and will last for a good 12 years or so.

so of the 9 position in baseball who is our next group of guys

1B ?
2B hernanadez ?
3B Franco ?
SS Crawford ?
C ?
LF ?
CF ?
RF?

SP need 5 nola , biddle, ? ? ?
RP ? ? ? ?
closer giles

C Deivi Grullon
1B Rhys Hoskins
2B Scott Kingery
3B Maikel Franco
SS JP Crawford
OF Cornelius Randoph
OF Roman Quinn
OF Carlos Tocci

SP- Nola, Kilome, Eflin, Pinto, Biddle
RP- Giles, Victor Arano, Elniery Garcia, Ben Lively, Edubray Ramos, Adonis Medina, Tom Windle

You could fill in a "projected" lineup with the team's top prospect at each position, but it would never come to fruition in real life since most prospects don't make it. One of the strengths of the Phillies' system is the sheer number of guys you could look at and say "yeah, he could be a major leaguer in some capacity if things go right". Some will emerge and become "legit" prospects in the eyes of national rankers, but most wont.

 

[FLYguy3911]

If Mazara isn't in it, no deal. This is one of the best LHP's in the league ur gonna have to pay at least one of your top 3 prospects. Add to that, Hamels is locked up for a price cheaper than anyone at his level where you would have to outbid for their services in the FA market this winter

Yeah, I get them not wanting to give up Gallo, but Mazara's gotta be in the deal. I'd almost prefer him to Gallo.

 

[whitstifier]

Kinda want JBJ from the Red Sox. Margot, JBJ, Vazquez, and Owens would be cool. Dunno, might be too rich.

 

[Halladay]

Tulo to the Jays.

 

[SchennSational1022*]

Tulowitzki traded to Toronto....

 

[Broad Street Elite]

Yeah, I get them not wanting to give up Gallo, but Mazara's gotta be in the deal. I'd almost prefer him to Gallo.

Nick Williams is a better hitter than Mazara imo. It's close and I'm fine with either. Frankly, its Alfaro that I like least of the the 3.

The Dodgers aren't offering Seager or Urias, so the options are limited until that out of nowhere dark horse comes along.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Nick Williams is a better hitter than Mazara imo. It's close and I'm fine with either. Frankly, its Alfaro that I like least of the the 3.

The Dodgers aren't offering Seager or Urias, so the options are limited until that out of nowhere dark horse comes along.

Williams and Mazara have similar numbers at the same level except Mazara is almost two years younger. Seems like a no brainier. Williams' minor league BB rates aren't that great either.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

They aren't giving up Mazara.
I'd want Williams and Brinson at least.

 

[Broad Street Elite]

Williams and Mazara have similar numbers at the same level except Mazara is almost two years younger. Seems like a no brainier. Williams' minor league BB rates aren't that great either.

I've watched Williams a ton. His changes this year are nothing short of spectacular. He's improved his K/BB by nearly 200%. There was an article highlighting his change in approach.

Again, its pretty close to me. I certainly think the Phillies need to push for 2 from Alfaro, Mazara and Williams, but I don't think any particular one needs to be in. Honestly, for me, I'd sooner take Mazara or Williams than Gallo from my personal viewing.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Yeah Gallo scares me.

I don't remember a time when there were this many teams in the running for a player at the deadline. Normally I would say its fabricated by the team looking to deal the player, but I don't know if the Phillies are savy enough to pull it off. The more teams that stay in the discussion, the higher the price. Houston and Arizona are apparently interested as well. Someone might get desperate.

 

[Hiesenberg]

Giants in the hunt now for Hamels.

 

[Halladay]

Giants in the hunt now for Hamels.

They always have been, but they dont have much to offer. Susac would have to be involved.

 

[Hiesenberg]

They can eat the contract. That's their negotiating power.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Yeah let's stay away from SF this time.

 

[Halladay]

The Dodgers can take on his contract too. This could all be a ploy to make the Dodgers overpay.

 

[Hiesenberg]

The Dodgers can take on his contract too. This could all be a ploy to make the Dodgers overpay.

No doubt, there are a lot of angles here.

 

[Protest]

I understand that teams want to give up as little as possible, but the idea that certain prospects are off the table perplexes me. Hamels is one of the top pitchers in the game, isn't old, isn't a rental, has a low stress delivery, is signed at below market value at this point, and his only true flaw (HR's) is exaggerated by the park he plays in. These kids aren't Bryce Harper, there's no reason they should be off the table.

 

[Mkoll]

I understand that teams want to give up as little as possible, but the idea that certain prospects are off the table perplexes me. Hamels is one of the top pitchers in the game, isn't old, isn't a rental, has a low stress delivery, is signed at below market value at this point, and his only true flaw (HR's) is exaggerated by the park he plays in. These kids aren't Bryce Harper, there's no reason they should be off the table.

Its no different than the Flyers not wanting to trade Morin or Samhein for an established player. Some prospects just have more value to teams. Regardless of who they might get in return.

 

[whitstifier]

I understand that teams want to give up as little as possible, but the idea that certain prospects are off the table perplexes me. Hamels is one of the top pitchers in the game, isn't old, isn't a rental, has a low stress delivery, is signed at below market value at this point, and his only true flaw (HR's) is exaggerated by the park he plays in. These kids aren't Bryce Harper, there's no reason they should be off the table.

Dave Cameron at Fangraphs suggests that a trade around Mazara and a couple of lesser pieces would make sense for the Phillies. That or Gonzalez plus Alfaro. It's infuriating. If those deals were remotely close, Hamels would've gotten traded last offseason. Deadline deals don't look like that. Jeff Samardzija got traded for Addison Freaking Russel last deadline. Since Hamels's contract actually has value to the Dodgers and Rangers and Red Sox, a blue chipper *has* to be on the table.

 

[whitstifier]

Its no different than the Flyers not wanting to trade Morin or Samhein for an established player. Some prospects just have more value to teams. Regardless of who they might get in return.

It's a big reach to compare hockey and baseball in this regard.

 

[Protest]

Its no different than the Flyers not wanting to trade Morin or Samhein for an established player. Some prospects just have more value to teams. Regardless of who they might get in return.

Pronger.

If we were a contending team with the cap space to make a move and Shea Weber was on the table we'd trade them. Baseball prospects are also way less of a guarantee than top picks in hockey.

 

[Halladay]

Its no different than the Flyers not wanting to trade Morin or Samhein for an established player. Some prospects just have more value to teams. Regardless of who they might get in return.

This is true, but baseball prospects are much harder to predict than hockey. There are so many untouchables that never amount to anything. Delmon Young was once the top rated prospect in baseball. Dom Brown was 3rd behind Trout and Harper. Would I give up Morin or Sanheim for someone like Petrangelo, I definitely would.

When Cole is able to locate his fastball he is a top 5 pitcher in the game. Saturday pretty much proved that. Was reading on fangraphs that he threw his fastball less than 1/3 of the time. His changeup got 13 swings in misses on 34 thrown, and curveball was just nasty. Cole's problem is he isnt as consistent as other pitchers.

 

[Jack de la Hoya]

How should I feel about a 25-year old catcher being the potential centerpiece of a Hamels deal?

 

[Adam Warlock]

Its no different than the Flyers not wanting to trade Morin or Samhein for an established player. Some prospects just have more value to teams. Regardless of who they might get in return.

Right...but if the Flyers were trying to acquire an NHL star with similar value to Hamels and said "we want him, but we arent giving up Prov, Morin, Sanheim, or Ghost"...the other GM probably hangs up.

If they want to hang on to their prospects then fine...some of us are just saying you shouldnt be in the market for a top pitcher if you arent willing to pay for him.