Value of: Phil Kessel

[Nakawick]

I think Vegas would be on his list. Him being a poker player and all. Not sure if Vegas has any room for him though.

 

[Freedom]

What would the cost be from the Flames? I think he’d be a solid top 6 add for Calgary.

What about Frolik + 2nd. I think Kessel will be huge take for Calgary. Flames show that they are ready now for make a run on SC.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I think Kessell is a dangerous offensive player still but that 7 mill cap hit will prevent a lot of contending teams from spending resources to bring him in.
At the trade deadline he would probably net a 1st and good prospect in his UFA year.
Before that Pitt would have to retain salary or take less for the cap hit

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Only is the deal comes with the rights to all of his memes.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I think Vegas would be on his list. Him being a poker player and all. Not sure if Vegas has any room for him though.

I've raised the suggestion of Kessel for Reilly Smith in some way, a few times.

 

[StuckOutHere]

Straight up? I’d think a 2nd, B prospect and decent middle six roster player. Nothing of too much interest. NTC will limit any bidding war before it even gets off the ground and I doubt Kessel has a strong rep among GMs.

I do think the Pens could use him to move up ~10 spots or so in the draft. Base deal of Kessel+Pens 1st for a mid to late lottery pick.

I don’t think trading him is advisable. Cap hit for a P/PG player is awesome and that NTC will cripple his market value. Hard to get a fair return when only a few teams (like 3-4) would be realistically bidding. Pens have no one to replace that skill set either.

Any GM who doesn't think Kessel would be a benefit to their team should probably retire.

 

[Jacob]

This is assuming that Kessel isn't willing to waive his NTC, and I believe I read rumors that he was willing to at least waive his NTC to go to Arizona last off-season.

I think the assumption should be that Kessel's market is limited, and just leave it at that. It's impossible to say whether he's going to try to strong-arm the Penguins like he tried to strong-arm the Leafs or if he's open to be traded to any good open.

I think he'd waive it to go to a lot of places.

I think the only situations he wouldn't want to go to would be large market/spotlight situations like New York or Montreal or extremely bad weather like Edmonton or Winnipeg.

I think the Penguins would probably want a mix of futures and roster players coming back. Nothing crazy, maybe a late 1st or early 2nd and a younger two-way winger.

 

[CraigsList]

What about Frolik + 2nd. I think Kessel will be huge take for Calgary. Flames show that they are ready now for make a run on SC.

I'd definitely do that.

 

[Empoleon8771]

What about Frolik + 2nd. I think Kessel will be huge take for Calgary. Flames show that they are ready now for make a run on SC.

How do you think that's even remotely close to fair value?

There are some people who are seriously undervaluing Kessel in here.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Any GM who doesn't think Kessel would be a benefit to their team should probably retire.

I don’t disagree. Not saying that no one would take him. A lot of teams would love to inject his offense into their top 6, as they should.

But I also don’t think that they’re enamored with his play style. Are they going to give up a ton of assets for a guy who isn’t hard on pucks and doesn’t bring much #grit? They’re wrong, but I think many GMs think that way.

Basically saying that (mis)perception is one piece of the puzzle why the return wouldn’t match what a Cup winning, point per game elite scorer locked up for 6.8M typically fetches in a trade.

 

[Peat]

What about Frolik + 2nd. I think Kessel will be huge take for Calgary. Flames show that they are ready now for make a run on SC.

That is a straight no-go.

The Frolik + 1st + Prospect offer from the last page was interesting, assuming it was a good prospect. Frolik + 2nd is how Rutherford gets to be named Chief Riverbed Inspector and Concrete Overcoat Tester.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Arizona to reunite with Tocchet. Would likely have to send back somebody like Goligoski as part of the deal to make the dollars work.

I think that would be a roll of the dice. But probably worth the gamble.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Two things:
What's the point of Pittsburgh trading Kessel?
What's the ask from Minnesota?

 

[ChaosAgent]

Two things:
What's the point of Pittsburgh trading Kessel?
What's the ask from Minnesota?

He still can be a good offensive player and puts up points, but isn't fitting with Crosby or Malkin anymore. Should be the #1 offensive option on his line but needs the right complimentary pieces. The complimentary pieces, I think, are a 2-way 2C and a speedy/gritty wing willing to muck it up on the boards.

1st round pick + young, decent middle six winger or

1st round pick + 2nd pairing D-man

Would do it.

 

[Digitalbooya]

He still can be a good offensive player and puts up points, but isn't fitting with Crosby or Malkin anymore. Should be the #1 offensive option on his line but needs the right complimentary pieces. The complimentary pieces, I think, are a 2-way 2C and a speedy/gritty wing willing to muck it up on the boards.

1st round pick + young, decent middle six winger or

1st round pick + 2nd pairing D-man

Would do it.

Minnesota's got a borderline top 10 pick so I'm gonna say no to both of those proposals.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Minnesota's got a borderline top 10 pick so I'm gonna say no to both of those proposals.

How bout 2020 1st rounder?

 

[John B]

What about his value to a contending team or a team who wants a piece to increase their competitiveness? Like the Habs as an example.

If the Habs were closer to being a contender, I would certainly be in on Kessel.

 

[Nakawick]

If the Habs were closer to being a contender, I would certainly be in on Kessel.

Kessel and Maatta might be a good fit on the Habs.

 

[John B]

Kessel and Maatta might be a good fit on the Habs.

I don't think the Habs are going to be serious contenders for a few years, so I wouldn't want to see them give up high end assets for guys that might not be around when they finally get there. I like Kessel and was hoping the Leafs were going to trade him to the Habs before they dealt him to the Pens. I just think the Habs need to think younger and find guys that are going to help them 3 years from now.

Maatta is certainly the right age to fit, and plays the right position (LD). I'm pretty sure there was already a Maatta to Montreal thread a while back on here.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

What about Frolik + 2nd. I think Kessel will be huge take for Calgary. Flames show that they are ready now for make a run on SC.

Holy **** guys, I kinda hate Phil and this thread is crazy. Phil with his track record with Pit and with a salary of less than 7 should bring back a pretty big return.

 

[Digitalbooya]

How bout 2020 1st rounder?

How about Zucker and a 2nd? That’s about as good as I can offer. Not willing to trade 1st round picks for fear of an Ottawa situation.

 

[KIRK]

How about Zucker and a 2nd? That’s about as good as I can offer. Not willing to trade 1st round picks for fear of an Ottawa situation.

A first can always be lottery protected.

 

[rt]

If Arizona makes the playoffs and loses in round one, how would Pittsburgh feel about the 16th overall pick for Phil Kessel?

 

[66-30-33]

If Arizona makes the playoffs and loses in round one, how would Pittsburgh feel about the 16th overall pick for Phil Kessel?

I'd do it.

 

[66-30-33]

Two things:
What's the point of Pittsburgh trading Kessel?
What's the ask from Minnesota?

Needs a change of scenery and doesn't fit the team anymore. Doesn't wanna play on the 3rd line, doesn't work with Malkin, Crosby doesn't want him on his line, so...off he goes.