Rumor: Phil Kessel submits trade request

[Unsustainable]

Phil at 50% to Carolina for ???

 

[backburner]

I would if I were him too…..

 

[member 298589]

Stanley Cup champion and Olympian Phil Kessel can play hockey wherever and whenever the hell he sees fit. He's an International treasure and the true face of the league.

He holds the unofficial all-time record for most consecutive games played including playoffs.

Show some damned respect.

 

[rt]

Lol can someone explain to me why the hell this organization exists? So this summer they have already lost OEL and Garland. Soon Kessel and Dvorak. Just an absolute joke of an organization every single year.

What you’re seeing is paying for the sins of those that came before them. You’re seeing what happens when broke and directionless leadership clings too desperately for too long to a Cinderella run in 2012. Their GM was handcuffed by desperate owners and a coach with way, way too much power. When the GM at least attempted to rebuild, the coach and an owner conspired on a coup and had him ousted.

The coach, with a new promotion to senior hockeyops exec, hired an incompetent child to be his GM. This likely so he’d have a puppet he could control. There was a change in power dynamics at the ownership level and the coach/vp lost much of his influence. It turned out boy-wonder wasn’t just some rube who as happy to be there. And he held an epic purge. He unceremoniously dumped the team captain and beloved local icon. He traded the coach’s favorite pet and starting goaltender for peanuts, and when the coach had a tantrum, they split far from amicably the day of the entry draft.

Boy wonder wasn’t done. He immediately set to destroying the rebuild and doing absolutely everything, absolutely incompetently. He set the franchise back half a decade. Culminating in his being sanctioned by the league, abandoning his post the day his team was to report to the quarantine bubble for the playoffs, ultimately was suspended indefinitely by the NHL and is unlikely to ever work in hockey again.

The team finally has a stable, deep pocketed, unilateral ownership group with an actual long-term vision. The finally hired a credible general manager with real experience and expertise. He’s finally doing what’s needed to be done for about 20 years and thoroughly rebuilding in a proper and committed fashion.

The ownership group is spending real-dollars on junk assets in order to acquire real draft capital. The GM is the former top scout from St Louis, who ran their scouting program for a decade. He hired the former top scout from Tampa who was there for a decade. And the former top scout from Colorado was there for a decade. After being forced to sit out the last draft, he finally set to maximizing draft capital and making selections.

The Coyotes have acquired an unprecedented and truly astounding amount of future assets in just one month. And the only player they’ve lost that actually had any value to the team was a 25 year old, 5’6” power winger. They finally seem invested and fully committed to actually doing this the right way.

There’s no disputing that the last 25 years have been a joke. And there’s no disputing that the last 25 days have been anything but.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Arizona isn’t looking for hockey trades.

Let me put it to you this way - which asset gets you more value, Phil Kessel at full price today or PK Subban with 50% retained at the deadline?

 

[Richard88]

JTC dump still works.

Compher has $4.5m in salary this year, Kessel only $850k (or $425k with 50% retained). I doubt Arizona want to take on $4m in extra salary this year and $3.5m in salary next year without getting an enticing piece from Colorado, which just isn't realistic.

 

[rt]

Compher has $4.5m in salary this year, Kessel only $850k (or $425k with 50% retained). I doubt Arizona want to take on $4m in extra salary this year and $3.5m in salary next year without getting an enticing piece from Colorado, which just isn't realistic.

Arizona has been doing all off-season. Stralman and others are owed very real money.

 

[drktmplr12]

Lol can someone explain to me why the hell this organization exists? So this summer they have already lost OEL and Garland. Soon Kessel and Dvorak. Just an absolute joke of an organization every single year.

look at any other team's draft assets, compared with below. it's clear what they are doing. give the process the 3-5 years it needs.

 

[Richard88]

Arizona has been doing all off-season. Stralman and others are owed very real money.

Yeah, but they also added a 2nd and Kolyachonok to take on Stralman. Avs aren't going to pay Arizona a significant asset to swap Compher for Kessel right now. As @Cousin Eddie said it would be wiser to let that cap accrue until the deadline and then add a Kessel type forward without having to dump Compher.

 

[The90]

What you’re seeing is paying for the sins of those that came before them. You’re seeing what happens when broke and directionless leadership clings too desperately for too long to a Cinderella run in 2012. Their GM was handcuffed for desperate owners and a coach with way, way too much power. When the GM at least attempted to rebuild, the coach and an owner conspired on a coup and had him ousted.

The coach, with a new promotion to senior hockeyops exec, hired an incompetent child to be his GM. This likely so he’d have a puppet he could control. There was a change in power dynamics at the ownership level and the coach/vp lost much of his influence. It turned out boy-wonder wasn’t just some rube who as happy to be there. And he held an epic purge. He unceremoniously dumped the team captain and beloved local icon. He traded the coach’s favorite pet and starting goaltender for peanuts, and when the coach had a tantrum, they split far from amicably the day of the entry draft.

Boy wonder wasn’t done. He immediately set to destroying the rebuild and doing absolutely everything, absolutely incompetently. He set the franchise back half a decade. Culminating in his being sanctioned by the league, abandoning his post the day his team was to report to the quarantine bubble for the playoffs, ultimately was suspended indefinitely by the NHL and is unlikely to ever work in hockey again.

The team finally has a stable, deep pocketed, unilateral ownership group with an actual long-term vision. The finally hired a credible general manager with real experience and expertise. He’s finally doing what’s needed to be done for about 20 years and thoroughly rebuilding in a proper and committed fashion.

The ownership group is spending real-dollars on junk assets in order to acquire real draft capital. The GM is the former top scout from St Louis, who ran their scouting program for a decade. He hired the former top scout from Tampa who was there for a decade. And the former top scout from Colorado was there for a decade. After being forced to sit out the last draft, he finally set to maximizing draft capital and making selections.

The Coyote have acquired an unprecedented and truly astounding amount of future assets in just one month. And the only player they’ve lost that actually had any value to the team was a 25 year old, 5’6” power winger. They finally seem invested and fully committed to actually doing this the right way.

There’s no disputing that the last 25 years have been a joke. And there’s no disputing that the last 25 days have been anything but.

Sounds almost as frustrating as being a leaf fan. Good luck with the rebuild. 1 step back, for 2 steps forward.

 

[shortfuze]

Stanley Cup champion and Olympian Phil Kessel can play hockey wherever and whenever the hell he sees fit. He's an International treasure and the true face of the league.

He holds the unofficial all-time record for most consecutive games played including playoffs.

Show some damned respect.

You tell’em Johnny, you tell the world.

 

[ItWasJustified]

The team finally has a stable, deep pocketed, unilateral ownership group

So all the reports for the last one and a half years about the Coyotes owners being broke due to covid was...what? Lying journalists? The owners themselves dodging taxes and getting stuff paid for by the tax payers (new arena?)?

The Athletic's piece on the Coyotes was also swept under the rug very quickly. Almost as if it was nonexistent.
Coyotes Alleged to Have 'Toxic' Work Environment: 'It's a S--tshow'

 

[rt]

So all the reports for the last one and a half years about the Coyotes owners being broke due to covid was...what? Lying journalists? The owners themselves dodging taxes and getting stuff paid for by the tax payers (new arena?)?

The Athletic's piece on the Coyotes was also swept under the rug very quickly. Almost as if it was nonexistent.
Coyotes Alleged to Have 'Toxic' Work Environment: 'It's a S--tshow'

The Strang piece is toilet paper. She’s buds with the Chaykas. None of the facts align with the story. Actual events are absolutely contrary. Head over to the Yotes forum if you want to see actual analysis.

And broke? That’s absolutely absurd. A lot do the owners cash is tied up in gaming and hospitality. Those had a set back. They’re now roaring back. He has one of the few coveted sports gaming licenses in the state. There’s an RFP submission for a privately funded arena and district. Not a handout. Again, none of the actual events align with that narrative. Anonymous whispers from unnamed sources don’t align with what’s actually happening. These broke owners are letting the GM set the team up for a 25 win season while simultaneously amassing tons and tons of dead cash for draft capital? So broke they took assets to pay Ladd and Gostisbehere and Stralman?

Nonsense. Rely on critical thinking rather than gossip. Free advice.

 

[rt]

Let me put it to you this way - which asset gets you more value, Phil Kessel at full price today or PK Subban with 50% retained at the deadline?

Phil at 50% today. Coming off of 29g/82 pace. Definitely. And even then, it’s roughly a 2nd rounder.

 

[member 298589]

You tell’em Johnny, you tell the world.

I shouldn't have to tell anybody anything.

If people had been living with their eyes and hearts open these last 15 years, they would realize that every moment of Phil Kessel's career has been an ongoing, watershed moment in sports history.

 

[Bankerguy]

He'll be headed for a trade closer to the deadline due to cap constraints on other teams. He'll be a triggerman pickup that fizzles out during the playoffs and it'll cost the team a 1st. end of story

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Kessel actually does what he's supposed to do and does it well. Does Gardiner do that?

I'll admit I'm not clear on Kessel's value around the league. Coming off of a ppg season in Pittsburgh he was sent to Arizona for a fairly underwhelming return. Scoring points never seems to be the issue with Kessel it's usually fit with the locker room it appears.

He's 33 and coming off an decent but not great year. What would you peg his value at? Not saying this to lowball, just honestly curious because he seems like such an enigma league wide in terms of vlaue and perception.

 

[Kranix]

This guy outscored a healthy Sid with 92 points without training or practicing and still gets no respect. Even after 43 in 56 on a non-playoff team with not much scoring help.

 

[Kranix]

I'll admit I'm not clear on Kessel's value around the league. Coming off of a ppg season in Pittsburgh he was sent to Arizona for a fairly underwhelming return. Scoring points never seems to be the issue with Kessel it's usually fit with the locker room it appears.

He's 33 and coming off an decent but not great year. What would you peg his value at? Not saying this to lowball, just honestly curious because he seems like such an enigma league wide in terms of vlaue and perception.

He's a bad influence on younger players because he can score 30 goals without even dieting in the off season, or doing any drills in practice. That's why he's been run out of every city.

 

[Tom Polakis]

What you’re seeing is paying for the sins of those that came before them...

...There’s no disputing that the last 25 years have been a joke. And there’s no disputing that the last 25 days have been anything but.

This post should be stickied in every thread that involves the Coyotes, not that it will help in heading off the usual, predictable knee-jerk reactions.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

I'll admit I'm not clear on Kessel's value around the league. Coming off of a ppg season in Pittsburgh he was sent to Arizona for a fairly underwhelming return. Scoring points never seems to be the issue with Kessel it's usually fit with the locker room it appears.

He's 33 and coming off an decent but not great year. What would you peg his value at? Not saying this to lowball, just honestly curious because he seems like such an enigma league wide in terms of vlaue and perception.

His trade value was severely hampered by that limited 8 team trade list. Arizona was basically the only team Pittsburgh could trade him to. On one hand the Pens didn't need to trade him...on the other hand the GM was Jim Rutherford.

The Rick Tocchet connection can't be stressed enough. Once he was no longer in Pittsburgh or Arizona, the writing was on the wall.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Kessel can score 40 goals with McDavid

They said the same thing about him when he got traded to Pittsburgh.

I think what you see is what you get with Kessel. 30 goals, 40 assists and no effort in his own end.

I wouldn’t touch that if I were Edmonton, they will be horrible enough in their own end without Kessel’s help.

 

[TesseractPrice]

If the Habs didn't just sign Hoffman while still having Drouin, I would love to have him but I feel he would be redundant here as an offensive winger weak in his own end

Why not Boston?

 

[rt]

This post should be stickied in every thread that involves the Coyotes, not that it will help in heading off the usual, predictable knee-jerk reactions.

It's too long. Nobody will read it.

 

[Stickpucker]

Lol can someone explain to me why the hell this organization exists? So this summer they have already lost OEL and Garland. Soon Kessel and Dvorak. Just an absolute joke of an organization every single year.

By this logic why do Edmonton, Toronto, Calgary, NJ, or Buffalo even exist?

It's a competitive league some people have to lose.