Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [Late 2021 edition]

[Young Sandwich]

Lappy selling his house in Haddonfield...



415 Washington Ave, Haddonfield, NJ 08033 | MLS #NJCD2011980 | Zillow

 

[Striiker]

Lappy selling his house in Haddonfield...



415 Washington Ave, Haddonfield, NJ 08033 | MLS #NJCD2011980 | Zillow

Moving to the Lehigh Valley, probably. Lucky us.

 

[deadhead]

You are bitter for understandable reasons but he played York and Zamula last season and will play them again and others once they are definitely out of playoff contention.
Chuck is treading water right now to somehow stay afloat. Every GM would.

I don't think it's a matter of being out of contention.

Fletcher values them too much to rush them, Soderstrom is more talented than any D-man playing for Zona, but was sent back to the AHL b/c he was over his head. McTavish, #3, played 9 games for Anaheim and was sent back to the CHL.

Just b/c a prospect is more talented than the veterans in front of him doesn't mean he's ready to play 15-20 minutes a night in the NHL.

 

[mize370]

blah blah blah. next year. blah blah blah. 1 year vets wont block prospects. blah blah blah Brink is coming to deliver us from whatever this is. blah blah blah.
Hoping some one reads my posts so i can get a job working for the Fletchers, i mean Flyers someday!!

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't think it's a matter of being out of contention.

Fletcher values them too much to rush them, Soderstrom is more talented than any D-man playing for Zona, but was sent back to the AHL b/c he was over his head. McTavish, #3, played 9 games for Anaheim and was sent back to the CHL.

Just b/c a prospect is more talented than the veterans in front of him doesn't mean he's ready to play 15-20 minutes a night in the NHL.

Fletcher doesn't value them, otherwise they'd be playing. He values Yandle and Seeler more. Fletcher doesn't value young talent. It's why throughout his career he traded all his picks for veterans.

 

[Appleyard]

Fletcher doesn't value them, otherwise they'd be playing. He values Yandle and Seeler more. Fletcher doesn't value young talent. It's why throughout his career he traded all his picks for veterans.

Part of the reason my brother no longer follows NHL hockey is Chuck Fletcher tbh... he was an avid Wild fan for years... and thhhheeeen...

constantly losing value on trades... drafting pretty mediocrely, loving wasting money on 2nd tier players who he overvalued. Building a team that you knew were just going to be ~10-20th best in the league almost every year. Despite unlimited assets and being able to spend to cap. And being one of the more desirable destinations in the league.

We have 13 years of this to look at.

 

[deadhead]

In three years with the Flyers, Myers and Patrick are the only prospects he traded, and so far, both are "fails" with their new teams.
In Minnesota:
He traded 26 year old Clutterbuck for 21 year old Neiderreiter
The Burns trade was for 21 year old Coyle and 24 year old Setoguchi and a 1st rd pick
Cam Barker was 24 when Fletcher traded for him, Leddy was 19.

Traded too many draft picks at the TDL trying to get deep into the playoffs, but he rarely traded prospects.

 

[Beef Invictus]

In three years with the Flyers, Myers and Patrick are the only prospects he traded, and so far, both are "fails" with their new teams.
In Minnesota:
He traded 26 year old Clutterbuck for 21 year old Neiderreiter
The Burns trade was for 21 year old Coyle and 24 year old Setoguchi and a 1st rd pick
Cam Barker was 24 when Fletcher traded for him, Leddy was 19.

Traded too many draft picks at the TDL trying to get deep into the playoffs, but he rarely traded prospects.

He might as well trade the prospects, he isn't going to use them until half the roster is injured and he has no choice. The development process he maintains in place is futile garbage that will seek to hammer them into vanilla trash. Just as Flahr admitted they were trying to do with Frost.

The end result is the same.

 

[deadhead]

Flyers played 6 rookies n 2019-20, brought in Allison and Laczynski out of college in 2020-21.
The real problem is most of their prospects weren't that good.

 

[Appleyard]

He might as well trade the prospects, he isn't going to use them until half the roster is injured and he has no choice. The development process he maintains in place is futile garbage that will seek to hammer them into vanilla trash. Just as Flahr admitted they were trying to do with Frost.

The end result is the same.

It is funny that in the last 15 years of the Wild...

Fletcher was GM for 10.

Yet arguably 3 of the best 6 seasons over the last 15 years came without him.

And this year will likely make it 4 of the 7 best in the last 16.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Flyers played 6 rookies n 2019-20, brought in Allison and Laczynski out of college in 2020-21.
The real problem is most of their prospects weren't that good.

Yes, because of the trash development process. We've covered this endlessly.


You think a group of people who couldn't tell Frost was ready to contribute in the NHL are capable of developing and evaluating anything? I'm an internet amateur and I could tell. Random amateurs from the internet are better at their jobs than they are. It's a major reason why this season is happening.

 

[deadhead]

It is funny that in the last 15 years of the Wild...

Fletcher was GM for 10.

Yet arguably 3 of the best 6 seasons over the last 15 years came without him.

And this year will likely make it 4 of the 7 best in the last 16.

Fletcher took over the Wild off an 89 point season in 2009.
Gabirek (26), Bouchard (24), Bergeron (28), Vielleux (27), Sheppard (20), Clutterbuck (21), Pouliot (22), Gillies (19), Burns (23), Kiovu (25), Schultz (26) - other than Burns, not a murder's row!
Falk D and Scandella D were the only decent draft picks not on the team when he took over.

He made two bad trades starting out, Leddy for Barker and the Burns deal (that was driven by sign-ability issues)
2009 draft: Leddy #16, Kuemper #161, Haula #182
2010 draft: Granlund #9, Larsson #56, Zucker # 59 (traded up to snag him)
2011 draft: Brodin #10, Seeler #131 [signed Spurgeon as a UDFA]
2012 draft: Dumba #7
2013 draft: no 1st rd pick
2014 draft: Tuch #18, no 2nd rd pick, Kahkonen G #109
2015 draft: Eriksson Ek #20, Greenway #50, Kaprizov #135
2016 draft: Kunin #15, no 2nd or 3rd rd
2017 draft: no 1st, 2nd

Since he left, not one draft pick has made an impact, the current team is still built around his drafts:
Fiala for Granlund
Task for [Neiderreiter for Clutterbuck]
Foligno for Pominville & Scandella
Bold acquired by Fletcher

Fletcher rarely blows a first round pick and has been very cautious after being burned twice early in his career.
His worst trades have been TDL deals, probably driven by a "win now" mandate from his owner.
Which is why I think last summer was driven by Scott, Fletcher was far more conservative his first year here.
He was good at getting value as a seller his first couple seasons in Minny.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fletcher took over the Wild off an 89 point season in 2009.
Gabirek (26), Bouchard (24), Bergeron (28), Vielleux (27), Sheppard (20), Clutterbuck (21), Pouliot (22), Gillies (19), Burns (23), Kiovu (25), Schultz (26) - other than Burns, not a murder's row!
Falk D and Scandella D were the only decent draft picks not on the team when he took over.

He made two bad trades starting out, Leddy for Barker and the Burns deal (that was driven by sign-ability issues)
2009 draft: Leddy #16, Kuemper #161, Haula #182
2010 draft: Granlund #9, Larsson #56, Zucker # 59 (traded up to snag him)
2011 draft: Brodin #10, Seeler #131 [signed Spurgeon as a UDFA]
2012 draft: Dumba #7
2013 draft: no 1st rd pick
2014 draft: Tuch #18, no 2nd rd pick, Kahkonen G #109
2015 draft: Eriksson Ek #20, Greenway #50, Kaprizov #135
2016 draft: Kunin #15, no 2nd or 3rd rd
2017 draft: no 1st, 2nd

Since he left, not one draft pick has made an impact, the current team is still built around his drafts:
Fiala for Granlund
Task for [Neiderreiter for Clutterbuck]
Foligno for Pominville & Scandella
Bold acquired by Fletcher

Fletcher rarely blows a first round pick and has been very cautious after being burned twice early in his career.
His worst trades have been TDL deals, probably driven by a "win now" mandate from his owner.
Which is why I think last summer was driven by Scott, Fletcher was far more conservative his first year here.
He was good at getting value as a seller his first couple seasons in Minny.

What's the point in hitting your first round picks if you surround those players with the league's trash and cancel out any possible good you might have done? Best case scenario is endgame Homer.

Fletcher definitely won't ever match peak Homer because he's too awful at trading.

 

[deadhead]

Because you build a team primarily with 1st rd picks.
And if you fail, you leave your next GM with a solid foundation.

Hextall did a great job garnering draft picks but a mediocre job utilizing them.
Though 2016 was a weird draft, after #16 (Chychrun), the next solid players were Kyrou #35, Debrincat #39, Girard #47, Hart #48, Lindgren #49, Fox #66, Mete #100.
2017 however, not just Patrick, but traded up for Ratcliffe #35, Robertson #39, Texier #45.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Because you build a team primarily with 1st rd picks.
And if you fail, you leave you next GM with a solid foundation.

Hextall did a great job garnering draft picks but a mediocre job utilizing them.
Though 2016 was a weird draft, after #16 (Chychrun), the next solid players were Kyrou #35, Debrincat #39, Girard #47, Hart #48, Lindgren #49, Fox #66, Mete #100.
2017 however, not just Patrick, but traded up for Ratcliffe #35, Robertson #39, Texier #45.

You need more than a core.

Fletcher is incapable of building a winning team. Every day he remains employed is a day wasted.

 

[deadhead]

You need more than a core.

Fletcher is incapable of building a winning team. Every day he remains employed is a day wasted.

Minnesota made the playoffs six straight seasons under Fletcher, Flyers made the playoffs 2 of 5 seasons under Hextall. And one of three since he left, Minnesota 2 of 3 since Fletcher left.

If Fletcher is incapable of building a winning team, starting with about the same trash as Hextall (few top players, a barren talent pipeline) then Hextall is even worse by that standard.

Fletcher has his weak spots, trading for veterans is the primary one, especially at the TDL (which is why I was relieved when he used a 4th and 5th on Grant and Thompson, no cost).
But he build Minnesota up almost from the ground floor, most of the players he inherited were soon gone because they weren't very good.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Minnesota made the playoffs six straight seasons under Fletcher, Flyers made the playoffs 2 of 5 seasons under Hextall. And one of three since he left, Minnesota 2 of 3 since Fletcher left.

If Fletcher is incapable of building a winning team, starting with about the same trash as Hextall (few top players, a barren talent pipeline) then Hextall is even worse by that standard.

Fletcher has his weak spots, trading for veterans is the primary one, especially at the TDL (which is why I was relieved when he used a 4th and 5th on Grant and Thompson, no cost).
But he build Minnesota up almost from the ground floor, most of the players he inherited were soon gone because they weren't very good.

Minnesota went nowhere in the playoffs despite all their advantages. Never past the second round. Because Fletcher values trash like Yandle, Thompson, Seeler, Stewart, Hanzal, Setoguchi, etc. He loses value on everything he does and steadily hamstrings his rosters. He loses because in an era of efficiency he's about as efficient as his mentor Clarke.

None of this is new. This was the textbook on him when he was hired. It's only been proven further here.

You're defending a failure who has nothing to show for his career except losing. Making the playoffs isn't impressive. Average teams do it. Stop trumpeting mediocrity as victory.

You said Fletcher should be fired if he crashed two seasons in a row. Here we are. Why are you defending him instead of standing firm?

 

[Flyerfan18]

Yes, because of the trash development process. We've covered this endlessly.


You think a group of people who couldn't tell Frost was ready to contribute in the NHL are capable of developing and evaluating anything? I'm an internet amateur and I could tell. Random amateurs from the internet are better at their jobs than they are. It's a major reason why this season is happening.

Development has never been an organizational issue. Let’s see if Frost is even in the NHL in another 8-10 games. He heard someone coming again last night and turned the puck over trying to run away. That happens every game.

 

[Magua]

 

[Striiker]

Development has never been an organizational issue. Let’s see if Frost is even in the NHL in another 8-10 games. He heard someone coming again last night and turned the puck over trying to run away. That happens every game.

Is that what they said on the radio?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I remember when he turned it over and then immediately cannonballed into the guy who had the puck to revert possession back to us.

You'd think everyone who still thinks like it's 1989 would have been slobbering over that.

 

[Appleyard]

I remember when he turned it over and then immediately cannonballed into the guy who had the puck to revert possession back to us.

You'd think everyone who still thinks like it's 1989 would have been slobbering over that.

If he had a 44 chest instead of a 40 chest, and half the skill level, it would have counted and slobbering ensued.

 

[TB87]

Holy f***! Amazing ComPOST

 

[Striiker]

If he had a 44 chest instead of a 40 chest, and half the skill level, it would have counted and slobbering ensued.

What’s MacEwens chest measurement? I’ve been told multiple times that he’s been our 2nd best player since he got here so I’m trying to understand the source of his power.

 

[BernieParent]

Since York, Zamula and Hogberg are unlikely to save the season, they should be brought up when they look ready to handle the NHL, not for a marginal improvement over Yandle and Seeler. Their development this year is more important than winning games.

And for the next couple weeks, the Flyers will not be a good environment for a young defenseman.
Until Yeo can have a few practices, and wean the team from AV's schemes, best to leave young players in the AHL.
Then when they come up, the team will be on the same page and it'll be easier to integrate prospects.

I might be inclined to agree with you, dead, if the Phantoms weren't as messed up as, if not worse than, the Flyers. Maybe if Fletcher goes out and hires a real coach for LHV who runs a good system and can develop young talent.