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Pancakes

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I've been saying for a long time that Kap's got permanent prospect brain. He never, ever looks like he's comfortable or knows what he wants to do. His favorite thing is to go through the neutral zone with speed, pull up immediately after gaining the blueline and tossing the puck across the ice--whether there's a guy there or not. :laugh:
It’s obviously the coaching. Half this team plays the same way.
I think Kapanen would be a moron without the puck regardless because that's just how he is, but he's got ability with it and boy is this team ever chopping his balls off by not letting him play to his strengths.

Thank god Malkin ignores any and all coaching and just plays Malkin hockey because I'd hate to see him dumping pucks in
 
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I think Kapanen would be a moron without the puck regardless because that's just how he is, but he's got ability with it and boy is this team ever chopping his balls off by not letting him play to his strengths.

Thank god Malkin ignores any and all coaching and just plays Malkin hockey because I'd hate to see him dumping pucks in

That’s why they should try Kapanen in Rust’s role…
 

Big Friggin Dummy

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Kap's a 3rd liner. He's not physical or defensively sound enough to be a 4th liner, and he's too f***ing dumb with and without the puck to be any kind of asset in a scoring line role. If he can't succeed in a 3rd line role and as a PK specialist who poses a threat to go the other way with his speed, get rid of him because he's trash. Maybe it's coaching, maybe it isn't, but Sully's here for the long haul like it or not, so end the miserable Kap experiment and let him be a worse version of the persistent let down that Galchenyuk was elsewhere.
 
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lol McGinn is a waste and Matheson@$4.9M >>> Petry@$6.3M.

You don’t think usage is the issue, like at all?

“Lol”
Sid hasn't even made an honest women out of his girlfriend because he puts hockey over such things. I mean, there's being very private about you personal life, and there's being that stringent about it where you put off family and such matters. Where I'm going with this is, I doubt Sid is staying past his current contract. He's given up a lot.

Crosby wears a purity ring.
 
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Blues won a cup more recently than us and are realizing they need to fix their team by moving pieces. Tampa won back 2 back and lost a fair amount of talent as well - Gourde, Goodrow, Palat, Schenn, Coleman, Rutta, etc.

Pens meanwhile are still pandering to Sullivan and what he needs and it's been clear what he needs is to find a new job.
 
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Are we sure Carter, Dumoulin and Letang don't have that thing Toews does? Also how do we make it so they do?

I think Kapanen would be a moron without the puck regardless because that's just how he is, but he's got ability with it and boy is this team ever chopping his balls off by not letting him play to his strengths.

Thank god Malkin ignores any and all coaching and just plays Malkin hockey because I'd hate to see him dumping pucks in

Kapanen during the pandemic season vs him now is a fantastic case study imo. One is a player that is playing his game entirely and the other is playing the way the coaches think they want him to.

A lot of blokes here hate Kapanen for the latter when ignoring the former being the player Toronto had and what we could have had, had Sully not forced Rust on that line instead.

You watch this version of Kapanen and he's the untainted player that Sullivan couldn't ruin yet.



Sully should hold lectures at Carnegie for how to completely f*** a player up with confidence and ruin him entirely. If you can tell me that's the same player we have now, I'd call you a certain R word that has been cancelled. Because that's what one would be for thinking it's the same player. It's not. We have always discussed players that have come and changed their game to fit the way Sully wants them to and then they leave and produce again.

Kapanen isn't some bum that they're going to discard. He's a player that will be liberated when Hextall moves him. Sully will ruin whomever else we get.
 
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Are we sure Carter, Dumoulin and Letang don't have that thing Toews does? Also how do we make it so they do?



Kapanen during the pandemic season vs him now is a fantastic case study imo. One is a player that is playing his game entirely and the other is playing the way the coaches think they want him to.

A lot of blokes here hate Kapanen for the latter when ignoring the former being the player Toronto had and what we could have had, had Sully not forced Rust on that line instead.

You watch this version of Kapanen and he's the untainted player that Sullivan couldn't ruin yet.



Sully should hold lectures at Carnegie for how to completely f*** a player up with confidence and ruin him entirely. If you can tell me that's the same player we have now, I'd call you a certain R word that has been cancelled. Because that's what one would be for thinking it's the same player. It's not. We have always discussed players that have come and changed their game to fit the way Sully wants them to and then they leave and produce again.

Kapanen isn't some bum that they're going to discard. He's a player that will be liberated when Hextall moves him. Sully will ruin whomever else we get.


Yeah it’s bizarre how bad he looks the last two years like someone is constantly over his shoulder.
 

Buddy Bizarre

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I was told this team wasn't fundamentally defensively deficient.
Man, am I ever glad about being wrong!
 

Coastal Kev

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Are we sure Carter, Dumoulin and Letang don't have that thing Toews does? Also how do we make it so they do?



Kapanen during the pandemic season vs him now is a fantastic case study imo. One is a player that is playing his game entirely and the other is playing the way the coaches think they want him to.

A lot of blokes here hate Kapanen for the latter when ignoring the former being the player Toronto had and what we could have had, had Sully not forced Rust on that line instead.

You watch this version of Kapanen and he's the untainted player that Sullivan couldn't ruin yet.



Sully should hold lectures at Carnegie for how to completely f*** a player up with confidence and ruin him entirely. If you can tell me that's the same player we have now, I'd call you a certain R word that has been cancelled. Because that's what one would be for thinking it's the same player. It's not. We have always discussed players that have come and changed their game to fit the way Sully wants them to and then they leave and produce again.

Kapanen isn't some bum that they're going to discard. He's a player that will be liberated when Hextall moves him. Sully will ruin whomever else we get.


EXACTO.... Sully nuked Kap. I laugh when I hear the crap that he's lazy. I was at their training facility in August of 21, Kap and Marino worked over an hour. Marino peetered out, Kap worked out for an additional hour.

GET BENT SULLY
 

molon labe

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Are we sure Carter, Dumoulin and Letang don't have that thing Toews does? Also how do we make it so they do?



Kapanen during the pandemic season vs him now is a fantastic case study imo. One is a player that is playing his game entirely and the other is playing the way the coaches think they want him to.

A lot of blokes here hate Kapanen for the latter when ignoring the former being the player Toronto had and what we could have had, had Sully not forced Rust on that line instead.

You watch this version of Kapanen and he's the untainted player that Sullivan couldn't ruin yet.



Sully should hold lectures at Carnegie for how to completely f*** a player up with confidence and ruin him entirely. If you can tell me that's the same player we have now, I'd call you a certain R word that has been cancelled. Because that's what one would be for thinking it's the same player. It's not. We have always discussed players that have come and changed their game to fit the way Sully wants them to and then they leave and produce again.

Kapanen isn't some bum that they're going to discard. He's a player that will be liberated when Hextall moves him. Sully will ruin whomever else we get.


In fairness here - you can make a case for his usage and his confidence- sure.....but at some point players have to adjust to systems and teams....and Kappy, when given an opportunity, completely lacks any creativity or danger whatsoever. Like, when he's 1 v 1, rushing, or has players cutting to the net (Carter) - all he does is skate hard to the wall and pass behind him whether anyone is there or not. Or he'll skate below the net and hold the puck on the board. He's not going for one timers or trying to generate. That stuff is on him.

This isn't all on Sully or the system. If he showed ANY glimpse whatosever of being dangerous offensively I'd say give him a shot in the top 6 - but I'd sooner reward O'Connor at this point. Kappy needs a new team more than anyone else here.
 
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EXACTO.... Sully nuked Kap. I laugh when I hear the crap that he's lazy. I was at their training facility in August of 21, Kap and Marino worked over an hour. Marino peetered out, Kap worked out for an additional hour.

GET BENT SULLY

The Pens were expecting Kessel-lite and instead got McGinn at his absolute best that he hasn't even been/done here yet.

Kap needs to focus on scoring goals, putting as many shots on net as possible, only 68 shots so far this season. That's for a guy they were considering top six material, he should watch Rakell because he could totally be that version. He's been doing some recently, shots, but he's still not having the success he's been hoping for.

Kap needs to go to a team that can let him be more, more PP time and such.

I'd say Kap nuked Kap. How many times has he been tried with Malkin?
 

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And of course the same f**king lines lol…Sullivan doubling down when questioned…let’s hope at least Jarry is back for good
 
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Ugene Magic

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And of course the same f**king lines lol…Sullivan doubling down when questioned…let’s hope at least Jarry is back for good


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Seems about right...
 

LOGiK

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Kap's a 3rd liner. He's not physical or defensively sound enough to be a 4th liner, and he's too f***ing dumb with and without the puck to be any kind of asset in a scoring line role. If he can't succeed in a 3rd line role and as a PK specialist who poses a threat to go the other way with his speed, get rid of him because he's trash. Maybe it's coaching, maybe it isn't, but Sully's here for the long haul like it or not, so end the miserable Kap experiment and let him be a worse version of the persistent let down that Galchenyuk was elsewhere.
Just throw away a player that cost TWO first round picks?
Very penguin way of doing things.
 
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