Somwhere on the 2nd line I heard there was a guy everybody was waiting so eagerly for, 71 is his jersey number... From your comment it sounds like he's already dead tired, outside of PP...
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Somwhere on the 2nd line I heard there was a guy everybody was waiting so eagerly for, 71 is his jersey number... From your comment it sounds like he's already dead tired, outside of PP...
Flying Dego
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I don't understand people's outlook on goalies. We pay Jarry to be a serviceable starter not a gamechanger. If he plays a Vezina level the whole year, amazing, but why should that be the expectation? That's like me expecting Rust to win the Art Ross and being upset if he doesn't score every game.
Our model has never been to rely on a goalie to steal wins. We heavily invest up front for that. So when we can't score at even strength and can't defend....
I'm happy to call out when a goalie just craps himself but Jarrys current slump is still not bad nor is it different from what literally every goalie in the league does at points in the year. The team having major issues in front of him is the priority concern.
Also getting a Vet backup has always been critical. We need better balance there.
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Oh, I fully agree. I just think the team's apparent success was over-reliant on Jarry playing out of his mind. They aren't as good as they looked during that win streak and his stellar play was masking some serious defensive problems.
Flying Dego
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Bingo. He covered a ton of issues. People that kept saying 'but we're winning' were overlooking it being unsustainable.
The team needs to get straightened out. Players need to find their roles and structure needs to be a thing again.
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If Jarry played at the level he has most of the season or even close we easily get the two points in regulation. That doesn't excuse other players. But you yourself just suggested he wasn't all that good tonight. And yeah that Sprong goal was pretty bad as I alluded to earlier in this thread. Their goalie was better than ours, as has been the case in each of Jarrys last three starts. The team collectively in front of Jarry needs to be better, that is not lost on me. Regardless of all that however, if we got good goaltending we win.
imagine taking the time out of your own life to come on a hockey discussion board only to trash one player and to trash other posters for not doing so…pitiful
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I see where you're coming from but look at it from a more global sense. What you're describing expectation wise is for Jarry to play at top tier goalie nightly. He's not Vasi, we don't pay him to be a top goalie and we should be thankful he's provided so much beyond what we pay him to do.
Actually last night's meh performance is more in line with a 3.5M goalie.
Last night’s game was a microcosm of how the Pens have been losing in the POs: stop scoring at ES and the other goalie outplays your goalie…this comment from Sullivan is so lol…
Coach Sullivan: "I thought we played the game that we're trying to play. We dictated terms. We controlled territory. We controlled the shot clock. We controlled scoring chances. For the most part, everything we could control, we did. We just didn't get the result. That's hockey."
Nah, bro…that’s not hockey…hockey is about putting the puck in the net more times than your opponent lol…unfortunately this team can’t afford to be playing Jarry so much and he should take the rest and skip the all star game…while the loss is not his fault per se, the reality is if his play slips at all and the opposing goalie is outplaying him, the Pens have no chance…
Coach Sullivan: "I thought we played the game that we're trying to play. We dictated terms. We controlled territory. We controlled the shot clock. We controlled scoring chances. For the most part, everything we could control, we did. We just didn't get the result. That's hockey."
Nah, bro…that’s not hockey…hockey is about putting the puck in the net more times than your opponent lol…unfortunately this team can’t afford to be playing Jarry so much and he should take the rest and skip the all star game…while the loss is not his fault per se, the reality is if his play slips at all and the opposing goalie is outplaying him, the Pens have no chance…
Wouldn't a power play specialist/sniper be cheaper than 7+ million in trade or free agency?
Let #71 walk.
Let #71 walk.
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If Jarry is only ''serviceable'' we're not going anywhere, period! If you want to blame everyone besides Jarry be my guest. And I see that you referenced his salary, well for what he did in last years playoffs he's pretty well compensated, ok. He single handedly destroyed any chance we had. Fast forwarding to now, 11 goals over the past three games is unacceptable. The majority of this season he's been a revelation. If he doesn't continue to be a revelation we're screwed, period!
Currently he's well below that level. How anyone can watch these games and not see he's far below where he's been this year is crazy to me. Obviously we need to be better with our puck management and positioning. There are several problems beyond him. Heck even Sid is turning over the puck in dangerous areas of the ice like Geno and Letang. Our depth scoring has dried up. I think losing Teddy has a lot to do with that. But Jarry needs to be much better himself.
Didn't you not watch the game? Only a prime Keyboard Expert would think its important to comment when no real viewing was done. Not sure how you can make astute comments then. Instead post the thought "score more goals" like a real brain child of the game while trashing a Jack Adams candidate. But post away. Control the narrative.
We lost because of our stars feeding their transition game. Secondly we were not able to bury our chances 5 on 5. It had nothing to do with Sullivan.
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I'd say last nights performance and his performances over the past week are more indicative of a journeymen goalie at best. His goals against and save % is pretty brutal.
3 points out of 4 losses, could be worse ...
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Could be much better as well. TBH the losses to Seattle and Detroit weren't so troubling to me. But the last two and in particular last night is where I started having more doubts. Despite being tired and such we should have been able to win one of these last couple of games. We had a good chance last night to stop the bleeding and we were unable to do so.
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Losing Teddy disrupts multiple lines though. Our continuity is mangled. You win with guys like Teddy. He's sound, consistent and a solid 200ft player. While Boyle has been pretty good he's a far cry from TB. I figured his loss would be fairly significant, I didn't think it would be quite this profound however. And maybe it shouldn't be, but both our ES production as well as our PK has taken a huge step backward in his absence. I think it's more than just coincidence.
1-3-1 Since Teddy left our line up. And none of those teams are world beaters by any means. Most aren't even playoff teams.
Malkin is a -4. Yes it is a flawed stat but it is a picture of the liability he's been 5 on 5.
Let #71 walk.
Let #71 walk.
pens played Ok and they are a tired team and it shows. A week off is needed for sure. Now what has to happen is TB back in 4 weeks and not sure with the cap how Zucker makes it back with out a contract being on LTIR or a trade. Kap has to play better as to doing better with the little things. If he isn't lighting it up, he is not a player who finds ways to add value. But his skill and speed are simply commodities you don't find in large supply. If I am hextall and new ownership, clearly Letang is still a priority. As to Malkin, he has to give a home town discount since he is not as dominant as he once was. Just can't tie up 19 million in two aging centers for three years. But if there is no alternative, what can one do. I do move Petts for cap space and or a RD with size and grit.
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TIL world-class athletes never get fatigued, even after going up against other world-class athletes.
Does this mean that the team that fails to put the puck into the net more times than their opponent isn't playing hockey?
no, lol…I just can’t stand it when the coach says everything was great, nothing to see here, when the team can’t score at ES and the opposing goalie outplayed ours…
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The complete disappearance of so many guys at even strength is troubling. Hopefully the break does them good because without it this could be turning into a really bad slide.
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