Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: New year, all our defence are injured and I feel fiiinnnneee... Panic?

[Turin]

Jake Guentzel was also 2 years older.

Sure was. Also didn't have a bunch of key development time buggered by Covid.

 

[Gurglesons]

Sure was. Also didn't have a bunch of key development time buggered by Covid.

Byfield is a top ten prospect in the league. He’s not a borderline blue chip prospect as you said earlier.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Byfield is the type of prospect that could bring them a legitimate defender like Seth Jones for RyJo.

When the Jones-Johansen swap happened, Jones was already 2.5 years into playing in a top-4 role for the Predators and Johansen had the same amount of time as a 1C. Byfield really hasn't shown to be an effective NHLer yet.

Also can we not compare Byfield to every other black player ever? Why mention Iginla and Jones as comparables?

 

[Gurglesons]

When the Jones-Johansen swap happened, Jones was already 2.5 years into playing in a top-4 role for the Predators and Johansen had the same amount of time as a 1C. Byfield really hasn't shown to be an effective NHLer yet.

Also can we not compare Byfield to every other black player ever? Why mention Iginla and Jones as comparables?

Lol they are just the type of deals that Byfield would be in reference too. He’s an insane talent to trade at 20.

 

[ChaosAgent]

My visceral reaction is that a lot of very high picks don't outright bust but they don't become stars. Yet because they didn't bust there's this perception that they could break out into something more that follows them around. Kirby Dach plays the same position as Byfield and also fits the bill of a big #1C, and yet the teams he's on haven't been good. He goes to Montreal and he's just a decent 2C.

A #2OA should be playing in the NHL 2.5 years after their draft year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Lol they are just the type of deals that Byfield would be in reference too. He’s an insane talent to trade at 20.

I mean I agree with this because I fully think Byfield is going to explode in the future. I just don't think you can assign him that value right now because you think he's going to be terrific in the future. I think Arizona wants Byfield because of that upside, but you can't just demand that value of return based on that upside for a player who hasn't really shown it yet.

I'd easily value Byfield at more than what Dach brought back last year (mid 1st and early 3rd). But I also think that plus a late 1st for Chychrun isn't all that unreasonable.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Byfield is a top ten prospect in the league. He’s not a borderline blue chip prospect as you said earlier.

I believe his religious beliefs makes it hard for him to say nice things about us coloreds.

 

[Gurglesons]

I mean I agree with this because I fully think Byfield is going to explode in the future. I just don't think you can assign him that value right now because you think he's going to be terrific in the future. I think Arizona wants Byfield because of that upside, but you can't just demand that value of return based on that upside for a player who hasn't really shown it yet.

I'd easily value Byfield at more than what Dach brought back last year (mid 1st and early 3rd). But I also think that plus a late 1st for Chychrun isn't all that unreasonable.

It would be wild to me for LA to move their best prospect and additional pieces for a player that’s not even top 20 at his position.

Clarke would make a ton of sense as the focal prospect. Byfield is just insane. Especially given the aging center core they have and lack of center prospects.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I see that Chychrun's dad played in the NHL which means he grew up wealthy. Ew do not want!

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Byfield is a 2nd overall draft who has a ton of pedigree.

Moving him is how you give away a player like Iginla.

Yeah. I don’t think a lot of these blokes know Byfield and the situation in LA. He’s a talent and not just some ok talent he has serious pedigree. If Coyotes did nab him, they better figure it the f*** out with development because they have botched a lot more than ones they made work. Sucks for QB. Deserves better.

 

[Turin]

Byfield is a top ten prospect in the league. He’s not a borderline blue chip prospect as you said earlier.

Nah there are enough question marks in his game that him being a number 1 C is not a guarantee. Which is what blue chip would imply. Top 10 in terms of pedigree and potential and therefor value? Sure I buy it.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I see that Chychrun's dad played in the NHL which means he grew up wealthy. Ew do not want!

Mate you better be sitting because I have news for you about Petry and his Dad with his MLB career.

 

[Turin]

When the Jones-Johansen swap happened, Jones was already 2.5 years into playing in a top-4 role for the Predators and Johansen had the same amount of time as a 1C. Byfield really hasn't shown to be an effective NHLer yet.

Also can we not compare Byfield to every other black player ever? Why mention Iginla and Jones as comparables?

I think he has some Iginla potentials, but I also see Dawes and Chris Stewart as well in that he may never reach that ceiling when rounding out his game.

Have we considered Kevin Weekes?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

But then again…if Byfield is flanked by Keller and Schmaltz as their top C with zero pressure in Arizona, that just might be the right situation.

 

[Gurglesons]

But then again…if Byfield is flanked by Keller and Schmaltz as their top C with zero pressure in Arizona, that just might be the right situation.

Having Byfield and Cooley in addition to their picks would be absurd.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I think he has some Iginla potentials, but I also see Dawes and Chris Stewart as well in that he may never reach that ceiling when rounding out his game.

Have we considered Kevin Weekes?

Iginla was also a highly touted prospect with physical gifts and offensive tools that was moved for a player Dallas would go on to win a cup with in Nieuwendyk. It was a huge deal and both teams ended up winning the deal.

We don’t have a lot of black stars to cheer for in the NHL so comparing one that has serious pedigree that reminds them of Iginla doesn’t make me mad.

But please, tell me, pigmentally challenged empoleon and Penguin Provorov, how you’re both so bothered by @Gurglesons using that comparison yet I’m not. And you f***ing know I’m not shy to call out shit.

Hell I’d love to get POJ’s brother on the Pens over Heinturd and also adding Byfield. That’d be f***ing awesome for me.

 

[Gurglesons]

Iginla was also a highly touted prospect with physical gifts and offensive tools that was moved for a player Dallas would go on to win a cup with in Nieuwendyk. It was a huge deal and both teams ended up winning the deal.

We don’t have a lot of black stars to cheer for in the NHL so comparing one that has serious pedigree that reminds them of Iginla doesn’t make me mad.

But please, tell me, pigmentally challenged empoleon and Penguin Provorov, how you’re both so bothered by @Gurglesons using that comparison yet I’m not. And you f***ing know I’m not shy to call out shit.

Hell I’d love to get POJ’s brother on the Pens over Heinturd and also adding Byfield. That’d be f***ing awesome for me.

Been on the Matthieu Joseph train since he was moved for Paul.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Been on the Matthieu Joseph train since he was moved for Paul.

I love his game. He’s a player we need, the motor, aggressive forechecking and he has some decent hands.

 

[Tender Rip]

Nothing matters without a new voice/direction on the bench. Might not matter/succeed either, but no trades or upgrades fixes this team.

 

[Ulf5]

I see that Chychrun's dad played in the NHL which means he grew up wealthy. Ew do not want!

I knew his dad played for the Flyers but for some reason this post just reminded me his dad had a stint with the Pens.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Arizona could potentially end up with a foundation of Byfield, Cooley and Bedard in addition to Vejmelka and Keller.

If they were a real organization and not a contract dumping ground for the NHL, that would be exciting.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Arizona could potentially end up with a foundation of Byfield, Cooley and Bedard in addition to Vejmelka and Keller.

If they were a real organization and not a contract dumping ground for the NHL, that would be exciting.

Then they'd just have to go out and get a stud defenseman to go along with all those forwards. Maybe they can flip one of those forwards for a young D like Chychrun.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Then they'd just have to go out and get a stud defenseman to go along with all those forwards. Maybe they can flip one of those forwards for a young D like Chychrun.

Sounds like somebody needs to send the Pens a 1st rounder for POJ.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Sounds like somebody needs to send the Pens a 1st rounder for POJ.

The realization dawning that POJ may have top 5 trade value in the entire organization. Good for him! Not a good sign for us.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Can a mod lock this down? New thread is up.

@Zirakzigil @BHD