Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: Feb 26th, the deadline day warmup

[Gurglesons]

I see Astro’s and Demko much higher on the list than our goalies lol

Who is Astro?

 

[Andy99]

Who is Astro?

Auto correct…Saros

 

[SomeDude]

Who is Astro?

 

[Gurglesons]

Auto correct…Saros

Yeah Saros and Demko are players I’d be happy if we acquired.

 

[HandshakeLine]

That's some oddly specific stat framing lol

Might as well add "when games started before 730PM, on Tuesdays"

Have you met stat dudes before?

Just mentally prepare yourselves for next year's tandem of Cal Petersen/CDS.

Neat.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

MuSt ImPrOvE dEsMithhh!!@!

Surprised that Jarry isn’t higher. Until this season CDS had a 0.914 Sv%, so I’m not surprised he’s that high.

 

[Andy99]

Surprised that Jarry isn’t higher. Until this season CDS had a 0.914 Sv%, so I’m not surprised he’s that high.

People overrate Jarry on this team…the Pens rely on their goalies to make clutch saves and key times in the game because the defensive structure is not good and there are too many lapses…Jarry has some really good games but for the most part, he’s not clutch in tight games or in OT…he doesn’t stand on his head enough, which unfortunately we need in our goaltending…I hope we move on from him

 

[The Old Master]

For all the Hextall memes, I think this 6-0 drubbing leads to a trade soon.

or it could lead to no trades. would you want any of the players that played in that game?

 

[ChaosAgent]

People overrate Jarry on this team…the Pens rely on their goalies to make clutch saves and key times in the game because the defensive structure is not good and there are too many lapses…Jarry has some really good games but for the most part, he’s not clutch in tight games or in OT…he doesn’t stand on his head enough, which unfortunately we need in our goaltending…I hope we move on from him

If our defensive structure isn't good, then we have no chance regardless.

 

[Andy99]

If our defensive structure isn't good, then we have no chance regardless.

Not really…if our goalie can outplay the opposing goalie, then we have a good chance…IMO goaltending in the POs is much more important than goaltending in the RS

 

[ChaosAgent]

Not really…if our goalie can outplay the opposing goalie, then we have a good chance…IMO goaltending in the POs is much more important than goaltending in the RS

Then you need an absolute all-star goalie or you need the other goalie to sh1t the bed.

For as great as MAF/Murray were in 2017 - the pathway you're proposing - it doesn't happen if Holtby and Rinne weren't also horrible.

 

[Gurglesons]

People overrate Jarry on this team…the Pens rely on their goalies to make clutch saves and key times in the game because the defensive structure is not good and there are too many lapses…Jarry has some really good games but for the most part, he’s not clutch in tight games or in OT…he doesn’t stand on his head enough, which unfortunately we need in our goaltending…I hope we move on from him

Who does this in today’s NHL outside of Vasi?

 

[ChaosAgent]

It's Tristan Jarry's net for better or worse through the end of the season.

And likely beyond unless he implodes ala 2021. He's an above average starting G in today's game and at $6-$6.5M AAV he won't break any banks.

 

[Andy99]

Who does this in today’s NHL outside of Vasi?

Well, we had it in 16 and 17 with Murray and Fleury and neither have been consistently great like Vasi over the years…you also need luck but you can have a tag team goalies who outplay the opposition…personally think that’s our only chance this year lol

 

[Freeptop]

or it could lead to no trades. would you want any of the players that played in that game?

I mean, if the Pens are trading with a team trying to get Bedard, you'd think they'd be all over that!

 

[Gurglesons]

Well, we had it in 16 and 17 with Murray and Fleury and neither have been consistently great like Vasi over the years…you also need luck but you can have a tag team goalies who outplay the opposition…personally think that’s our only chance this year lol

Did we? Both of those players in 2017 had rough games.

We had a team committed to playing defense those two years. Where are the Hagelin, Bonino and Cullen types? Where is that Dumoulin, Olli Maatta and Ian Cole?

 

[Darren McCord]

MuSt ImPrOvE dEsMithhh!!@!

2023 - Desmith has extended time as started and is trash.
2022 - Desmith has core muscle surgery misses playoffs
2021 - Desmith has core muscle surgery misses playoffs

Desmith is a fine back up but fails to rise to the occasion. It might now be his fault with injuries but if Jarry is number 1 with his injury troubles Desmith shouldnt be your number 2.

This team has no players who rise to the occasion.

 

[HandshakeLine]

several of us said don't re-sign CDS last year especially after he had significant core muscle injuries, but we were assured that this was going to be different this year.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Tristan Jarry 2019-20 Splits | Hockey-Reference.com

Scoring Stat Splits for Tristan Jarry for 2019-20

www.hockey-reference.com

Take a look at October-December 2020. October-December 2022. March 2022.

December-January this year.

When Jarry gets hot, he gets really hot. He's as good of a hot streak candidate in the playoffs as any we can acquire, and oh yeah we already have him.

 

[Andy99]

Did we? Both of those players in 2017 had rough games.

We had a team committed to playing defense those two years. Where are the Hagelin, Bonino and Cullen types? Where is that Dumoulin, Olli Maatta and Ian Cole?

It’s not an issue about a game or two…to win a series, your goaltending has to be better than the opposition…we had that last year tbh…despite starting Domingue, he actually played better than Shesterkin for 2 of the first 4 games and then he went back to being a pumpkin again…if we had another goalie who could have replaced him and outplayed Shesterkin for another game, we would have won that series..a Murray-Fleury tag team situation would be feasible for us again if we had two goalies who could play like them in the POs lol

Tristan Jarry 2019-20 Splits | Hockey-Reference.com

Scoring Stat Splits for Tristan Jarry for 2019-20

www.hockey-reference.com

Take a look at October-December 2020. October-December 2022. March 2022.

December-January this year.

When Jarry gets hot, he gets really hot. He's as good of a hot streak candidate in the playoffs as any we can acquire, and oh yeah we already have him.

And when he does it, I’ll believe it lol

 

[Empoleon8771]

You don't get a goalie who can "rise to the occasion" and carry the load as a starter for what they're paying DeSmith. Or rather, you won't get that with any sort of consistency.

DeSmith isn't the problem, it's Jarry being unavailable that's the problem.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

You don't get a goalie who can "rise to the occasion" and carry the load as a starter for what they're paying DeSmith. Or rather, you won't get that with any sort of consistency.

DeSmith isn't the problem, it's Jarry being unavailable that's the problem.

That's why I made the case that we should pay more and solidify goaltending properly next season. The extra 3.2 mil it would take for Saros seems well worth it to me.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I'm more interested in this...

 

[Empoleon8771]

To add, DeSmith has shown to be able to go on runs as a starter while having success. Back in 2018-2019, he had a .926 save% in 24 games from 10-11-2018 through 12-20-2018. He didn't start all 24 of those games, but that was him starting about 2/3 of total games over that window due to bad play and injuries from Murray. DeSmith has shown to be capable of going on those runs, but he's a backup because he's not consistently going to be able to do that.

Like I've said a bunch of times, what makes a starting goalie a starting goalie is that they can consistently perform well in a starter's role. DeSmith can perform well, but he doesn't do it consistently. And for $1.8 million, you're not going to get a guy who can consistently perform well in that role.

DeSmith is a terrific 1B or backup goalie to a team who has a healthy and reliable 1A or starter. Play DeSmith 25-30 games a year in an appropriate role and he'll give you a save% in the .910s. But the Penguins don't have a healthy and reliable 1A or starter, and now DeSmith is getting exposed by being pushed into a starter's role. It's the same kind of situation as guys like Brian Elliott and Jaroslav Halak in the past.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

several of us said don't re-sign CDS last year especially after he had significant core muscle injuries, but we were assured that this was going to be different this year.

Sure but his groin injuries aren't the reason he's worse this year. His mobility is not impaired at all. I see no difference in his lateral pushes.
He's tracking pucks worse, reacting slower, has worse rebound control and is making worse reads. His glove has never been this bad.