Post-Game Talk: Penguins wobble into the SENS Den, Sat. 7:00 pm

[Korpse]

Not really. Andy has been saving their bacon. I don't see much improvement in the PK in general. Just the goalie is bailing them out.

Andy has helped but I see less uncertainty among the forwards on the kill to be honest. They were getting abused at the top before, they seem to be more certain about what they are doing. It was usually the third pass at the top that would cause issues. One player would pressure the wall, it would go to the point and the other player would pressure the point but when it went to the other player on the wall it caused a lot of confusion over who’s responsibility it was. Right now your are seeing the lower forward come across the ice to apply pressure rather than the higher forward follow the puck from the point to the wall.

 

[God Says No]

I see a definite inprovement with smith returning. They’re limiting high danger chances.

I don't see it. And the stats bare that view. Just a couple of sample games I grabbed.

Without Smith (last 3 games before he came back):
11/11 - FLA - PP 1/3 - 1 HDCA
11/10 - TBL - PP 1/3 - 1 HDCA
11/02 - VGK - PP 2/2 - 1 HDCA

With Smith (last 3 games):
12/08 - PIT - PP 0/2 - 5 HDCA
12/06 - MTL - PP 0/3 - 1 HDCA
12/04 - MTL - PP 0/2 - 3 HDCA

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I don't see it. And the stats bare that view. Just a couple of sample games I grabbed.

Without Smith (last 3 games before he came back):
11/11 - FLA - PP 1/3 - 1 HDCA
11/10 - TBL - PP 1/3 - 1 HDCA
11/02 - VGK - PP 2/2 - 1 HDCA

With Smith (last 3 games):
12/08 - PIT - PP 0/2 - 5 HDCA
12/06 - MTL - PP 0/3 - 1 HDCA
12/04 - MTL - PP 0/2 - 3 HDCA

Pittsburgh is the only real outlier there and that’s because they have arguably the best PP lineup in the game

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I don't see it. And the stats bare that view. Just a couple of sample games I grabbed.

Without Smith (last 3 games before he came back):
11/11 - FLA - PP 1/3 - 1 HDCA
11/10 - TBL - PP 1/3 - 1 HDCA
11/02 - VGK - PP 2/2 - 1 HDCA

With Smith (last 3 games):
12/08 - PIT - PP 0/2 - 5 HDCA
12/06 - MTL - PP 0/3 - 1 HDCA
12/04 - MTL - PP 0/2 - 3 HDCA

I see a pretty damn big difference.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

How could this not get called .

 

[God Says No]

Pittsburgh is the only real outlier there and that’s because they have arguably the best PP lineup in the game

Not really. MTL had more HDCA as well. You're just seeing what you want to see.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

I wonder if refs watch replays, or if for their sanity they don’t. That ref would feel like such an idiot arguing with Stone that White hooked Rust (or whatever the hell he was arguing) and then watching that replay.

 

[JD1]

I see a pretty damn big difference.

so do i

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Not really. MTL had more HDCA as well. You're just seeing what you want to see.

3 is not much more than 1 .

 

[God Says No]

3 is not much more than 1 .

Listen, it's pretty apparent that you are willingly ignoring facts and just seeing what you want to see. You can try to argue that 3 is not much more than 1, yet 9 is way more than 3 in that sample size. I proved my point with some actual stats, and you are still holding on to your feelings which are based on... I don't know what. I proved Andy is the difference. They will start sucking again once Andy is saving their ass on the PK. You can break it down this way. They had 9 HDCA yet 0 goals, while on the other hand they had 3 HDCA and scored 4 goals. How do you explain that?

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Listen, it's pretty apparent that you are willingly ignoring facts and just seeing what you want to see. You can try to argue that 3 is not much more than 1, yet 9 is way more than 3 in that sample size. I proved my point with some actual stats, and you are still holding on to your feelings which are based on... I don't know what. I proved Andy is the difference. They will start sucking again once Andy is saving their ass on the PK. You can break it down this way. They had 9 HDCA yet 0 goals, while on the other hand they had 3 HDCA and scored 4 goals. How do you explain that?

What does that tell you about goaltending if they had 3 HDCA and score 4 goals? It works both ways.

I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone who watches every game this team plays that their P.K. has been much improved as of late. We don’t need stats to back that up. Stats are very misleading especially shot stats

 

[God Says No]

What does that tell you about goaltending if they had 3 HDCA and score 4 goals? It works both ways.

I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone who watches every game this team plays that their P.K. has been much improved as of late. We don’t need stats to back that up. Stats are very misleading especially shot stats

It means the goaltending wasn't the greatest. At least you are correct about that. It's obvious to you since you are biased and are ignoring facts. If I'm wrong then change my mind. But hey I didn't mention HDCA, you did and I quote:

I see a definite inprovement with smith returning. They’re limiting high danger chances.

Which I already proved is a fallacy. Basically you don't know jack.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

On the surface, getting 3/4 points this weekend without Duchene is incredible. Full credit to everyone. Bittersweet to waste a 42 save performance by McKenna of all people for only a single but beggars can't be choosers.

Goals are gonna be hard to come by now. Hopefully the PK and goaltending can hold up until our #1C is back. Credit to White stepping into that role though. Guy is a gem.

 

[Alex1234]

Just brutal reffing against us