Salary Cap: Penguins Trade Deadline Thread #66: We need more trade deadline snacks

[Zirakzigil]

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[Zirakzigil]

Zero interest in Paul…he doesn’t move the needle as a scorer

But that's just the thing though, how are they going to add this mobile defenseman without making more moves to make that work?

I guess I can see it if you're talking about something like Pettersson for Leddy, but when I look at this roster, one of the absolute last things I think they need is more mobility on defense.

No idea. Leddy's mention surprised me.

He does if you move ZAR and a pick or prospect for him.

If we didn't have Matheson Id love Leddy.

But we do, so nah

Don't want Leddy, give me some Barzal.

edit- Oh yeah, Leddy is a Wing now.

What we're hearing about the Penguins at the trade deadline, Version 2.0

The Penguins were in on Ben Chiarot, and they're eagerly looking to better their roster before the NHL trade deadline.

theathletic.com

Tldr - hextall would love to make a move, is willing to trade some future, RW for Geno priority but physical dman also desired, it's just about the cap

Also specifically mentions that the Penguins were quietly looking at Ben Chiarot, but didn't come close to a deal because of the cap. And that there is some smoke around Robert Hagg from Buffalo.

I would do Pettersson for Hagg but that's really about it.

Honestly, the FO would be smart to try to move the trash off this team for whatever they can get, plug the spot with WBS kids and hope to catch lightning in a bottle with the injection of youth. You get bounced in round 1 (which will most certainly happen again) kids get some experience & you don’t waste any future assets on another playoff embarrassment. If they aren't moving trash and paying a massive price for a game-breaking wing, WTF is the point.

Could do that, pair him with Ruhwedel, and have a modern day Scuderi-Gill third pairing.

With our luck he’d stop scoring the rest of the year and it would even out

First mistake is assuming Kris Letang is smart haha

Hagg is more Orpik than Scuderi.

Kingeriski or whatever said Hagg was a possibility a few weeks ago. Wonder if Yohe is just repeating that.

Yeah I thing Hagg is pretty not good but you're saving a decent chunk of change there and he brings some physicality to the team. Hardly the worst move they can make.

I dont think that’s on the FO’s radar…

Do Pettersson and a meh prospect/pick for Hagg and then trade a pure futures package for Rakell

I was comparing him more to Gill and Ruhwedel to Scuderi. Obviously moves better than Gill.

At this point, Pettersson is pretty not good right now and he's twice as expensive. If Hagg at least clears the front of the net, that's an upgrade.

I never begrudge a guy getting paid, but Letang is far enough into super rich from his previous contracts the a few extra million really doesn't matter to him. In his place I'd be all about lifestyle. Maybe that's playing in Pittsburgh with his boys. Maybe that's golfing in Florida. Maybe it's skiing in Colorado.

ZAR is our least used forward besides Simon and randomly being held out of the line up due to a “sickness” despite being on the bench in the celly video in St Louis.

Only if we let Hagg walk in the offseason, he's straight trash. But I am fine with it if it clears us cap space to better the team.

Beyond the obvious need that Hagg would fill, it's another another example of a guy Hextall has a history with, so there is some familiarity there as well. He essentially brought in to Philly as an assistant GM like 2 weeks after the 2013 draft, where the Flyers took Hagg in the 2nd round.

Easy 2+2 guess too. But very easy for them both to hear if it's real too.



As much as anything, I think Letang wants a big contract for his ego

 

[66-30-33]

Pens will trade all their bad players for other teams good players.

 

[Your Boy Troy]

If the price isn't too prohibitive, then I would like to inquire San Jose about Jacob Middleton. Chara would most likely be an easier and less costly acquisition.

After that I would seek to add someone like Jonah Gadjovich or Mathieu Olivier for a mid-round pick as an extra forward to be employed as a designated enforcer; both have potential to be more.

I think once you address the issue with grit on both sides of the ice, then you are pretty much set with this roster come playoff time. Perhaps you could find a fair lateral trade with either Pettersson or Kapanen, but I am not nearly as pessimistic about those two than what others tend to be on this board.

I'm of the opinion that the always prudent Hextall won't address either issues on Monday because of the asking prices and not wanting to tinker the roster. It will be a mistake on his part if he doesn't. There isn't anyone on the active roster or in WBS that will immediately address any of the needs I mentioned above.

 

[Jacob]

I do not think Boeser has the value Canucks fans think, and I’d bet Rutherford is interested in KK, but I don’t see why they’d want partial futures (Kap + a pick or prospect) if they still think they have a shot this year.

Dude is very expensive and, lately, has relied heavily on the PP for his goals.

 

[TKalltheTime]

Pens will trade all their bad players for other teams good players.

Maybe the Pens can trade rust for ZAR and Dominic Simone!!1!!

 

[MayorofWBS]

No benefit having either Hagg or Pysyk. The only plus for the Penguins would be if the Sabres would take Petts for one of them. I don't think that would be the case. So pretty much a waste of cap space with both. I rather have Pysyk due to be being a cheaper cap hit and maybe we can make another move. But yeah, only if they take Petts....but I don't see that happening.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't think a guy being a PP specialist and trigger man should count against him. I say that as someone interested in Boeser, but not really enamored with him.

Give him top PP duty if that's his thing. Maybe, y'know, put guys in a position to succeed and help your team out as best they can. Move Rust or Jake down to PP2 if that's what it takes.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I really don't think it's going to result in anything beyond a 1st round exit if we don't address Malkin's line. Or if Rust is staying there permanently, adding someone for Crosby's line so that E-Rod isn't the guy going into the playoffs.

Basically, E-Rod should not be a top six option for the Pens once Game 1 begins.

 

[Gurglesons]

I really don't think it's going to result in anything beyond a 1st round exit if we don't address Malkin's line. Or if Rust is staying there permanently, adding someone for Crosby's line so that E-Rod isn't the guy going into the playoffs.

Basically, E-Rod should not be a top six option for the Pens once Game 1 begins.

Maybe. Maybe they go on a run. Like they did earlier in the season.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I do not think Boeser has the value Canucks fans think, and I’d bet Rutherford is interested in KK, but I don’t see why they’d want partial futures (Kap + a pick or prospect) if they still think they have a shot this year.

Dude is very expensive and, lately, has relied heavily on the PP for his goals.

He's a James Neal without the streak of 20 goals. I personally think we're fine, Rodrigues will save us with more top 6 minutes.

 

[Andy99]

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my response is that we are a top 7 team, let’s say, in the RS. But our recent playoff history shows that we’re an easy out in the playoffs…mostly the reasons involving the players is threefold (I think a huge issue is the system we play, coaches adjustments or lack thereof and use of personnel—all coaching related): 1) oiur goaltender has not outplayEd the opposing goaltender; 2) our top lines getting all the Ozone starts are not consistently scoring and 3) those same players are not scoring PP goals. One solution is to trade for a better goalie than CDS and platoon with Jarry. The second solution is to get another offensive threat to force teams into bad matchups and get scoring that way. The answers to these problems do not involve 1) spending assets to get a better bottom six player than ZAR who might be able to pot 1 goal for us over the zero he’ll be getting (sure that goal might change the outcome of a PO game but there’s a minimal chance of that…he might get no goals too), or 2) getting a more physical Dman in the crease when your coach’s defensive philosophy and strategy is to have Dmen defending through their positioning and stick work

 

[Empoleon8771]

No benefit having either Hagg or Pysyk. The only plus for the Penguins would be if the Sabres would take Petts for one of them. I don't think that would be the case. So pretty much a waste of cap space with both. I rather have Pysyk due to be being a cheaper cap hit and maybe we can make another move. But yeah, only if they take Petts....but I don't see that happening.

Pettersson and a 3rd/4th for Hagg addresses a position of need for the Penguins while opening up a bunch of cap space this off-season. I don't see a problem with that at all.

 

[Pancakes]

I don't think a guy being a PP specialist and trigger man should count against him. I say that as someone interested in Boeser, but not really enamored with him.

Give him top PP duty if that's his thing. Maybe, y'know, put guys in a position to succeed and help your team out as best they can. Move Rust or Jake down to PP2 if that's what it takes.

It works against him as a pickup for the Penguins imo. Who is he gonna knock off the top unit? Rust is too good there to take off. Guentzel/Sid/Geno/Letang are set in stone.

There's no room for a top line PP guy. We need a guy who can produce with 2nd pp minutes and 2nd line even strength minutes. If Boeser can't do that....hard pass.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

It works against him as a pickup for the Penguins imo. Who is he gonna knock off the top unit? Rust is too good there to take off. Guentzel/Sid/Geno/Letang are set in stone.

There's no room for a top line PP guy. We need a guy who can produce with 2nd pp minutes and 2nd line even strength minutes. If Boeser can't do that....hard pass.

Highly direspectful to Heinen as well, he's been a godsend with this consistent production. If Geno can't make it work with Rodrigues and Heinen, the issue isn't the wingers, obviously.

 

[SEALBound]

Pettersson and a 3rd/4th for Hagg addresses a position of need for the Penguins while opening up a bunch of cap space this off-season. I don't see a problem with that at all.

Why would we need to add a pick though? I believe getting a quality, cost-controlled guy like Pettersson for a UFA would be enough.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It works against him as a pickup for the Penguins imo. Who is he gonna knock off the top unit? Rust is too good there to take off. Guentzel/Sid/Geno/Letang are set in stone.

There's no room for a top line PP guy. We need a guy who can produce with 2nd pp minutes and 2nd line even strength minutes. If Boeser can't do that....hard pass.

You're right but you're going to need to have that guy for next year after Rust walks.

Boeser this season is mostly an addition for Malkin's RW, but next year he'll take the top PP spot as well.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Maybe. Maybe they go on a run. Like they did earlier in the season.

And maybe Jarry pulls a 2011 Tim Thomas.

But I'd like to forecast the roster based on reality and not best case scenarios that have a very, very slim chance of happening.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

It works against him as a pickup for the Penguins imo. Who is he gonna knock off the top unit? Rust is too good there to take off. Guentzel/Sid/Geno/Letang are set in stone.

There's no room for a top line PP guy. We need a guy who can produce with 2nd pp minutes and 2nd line even strength minutes. If Boeser can't do that....hard pass.

Well regardless of how the season plays out, Rust is gone, yeah? I think that's a pretty safe assumption considering Geno and Letang are undoubtedly (and rightfully so) the priority. If you get Boeser, he's being locked up long-term. So you put him in Rust's spot because he'll be there moving forward.

The unflinching rigidity in keeping the PP units together is a problem, imo. Especially when the Penguins PP is so agonizingly inept for long stretches. Just because we're all familiar and comfortable with the names doesn't mean they're the be all, end all options. I'd put Boeser in Rust's spot and not even think twice. Having a lethal shot/one-timer in that spot would be a godsend.

I'm not obsessively chasing Boeser, fwiw. I just think this team need to be way more open to specialized players. The swiss army knife guys don't do it. Rust is on his way out almost 100% guaranteed, and the only way we're keeping Rust is if one of Geno or Letang walk--and at that point, who even cares anymore? Start the big sell.

I just don't think it should be shrugged off when a guy brings PP production and a lethal shot because he's not an all-around fantastic player or ES producer.

 

[SEALBound]

Highly direspectful to Heinen as well, he's been a godsend with this consistent production. If Geno can't make it work with Rodrigues and Heinen, the issue isn't the wingers, obviously.

We can take it a smidge further to:

Zucker
Kapanen
Heinen
ERod
Rust has been meh on his wing honestly
McGinn wasn't overly great

The problem is Geno has such a fluid style of play that you need wings who are skilled that can read and adapt quickly. On top of that, they need to be committed to being "Geno's Wingers" in a similar way Kunitz and Dupuis were committed to being "Sid's Wingers". Those were 2nd rate top 6 wings who knew they needed to do whatever Sid wanted them to do in order to stay on that line and cash in. I don't think we need the best wings...we just need to find the right ones. The 09 Talbot or 16 Kunitz and more specifically the 16 Rust.

 

[Gurglesons]

And maybe Jarry pulls a 2011 Tim Thomas.

But I'd like to forecast the roster based on reality and not best case scenarios that have a very, very slim chance of happening.

Fair. I’m just saying just because we don’t bring in a top six winger with Malkin doesn’t mean the roster is an easy out. We’ve held our own against a lot of the better teams.

I also question if it even works this year bringing in a scoring talent to the top six. How many times have we seen top six fixes just eat dirt in the playoffs.

 

[SEALBound]

On a side note, it looks like the Wild want to move Jack McBain's rights as he won't sign in Minny. Looks like he can be had for a 2nd. I would be all over that if I were Hextall. He would be a high-quality center prospect to add to the system. Could be the future 2C we desperately need that could jump Geno to Sid's wing.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

On a side note, it looks like the Wild want to move Jack McBain's rights as he won't sign in Minny. Looks like he can be had for a 2nd. I would be all over that if I were Hextall. He would be a high-quality center prospect to add to the system. Could be the future 2C we desperately need that could jump Geno to Sid's wing.

I Think Rodrigues could step in for thst 2C spot and we'll be fine.

 

[Peat]

Fair. I’m just saying just because we don’t bring in a top six winger with Malkin doesn’t mean the roster is an easy out. We’ve held our own against a lot of the better teams.

I also question if it even works this year bringing in a scoring talent to the top six. How many times have we seen top six fixes just eat dirt in the playoffs.

A very valid point but the internal options do feel rather grim.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

A very valid point but the internal options do feel rather grim.

If we mean internal options like the ones the coach keeps using rather than the ones he could use then yes, but it's also their fault they have zero stick-to-itiveness and swagger.