GDT: Penguins Trade Deadline II: You wanted trades!? Well you got trades! *Mod warning post 623*

[Tender Rip]

As for next year…. If you replace Dumo, Kulikov, Ruh with POJ and Smith, and Bonino with, say, Pustinen. And you have a little extra from a slight cap-increase and a million more from a lower JJ buyout cost… you can just about swing keeping everything else if Z and Jarry come in with friendly numbers.

Bigger things would have to be about finding a way to get Carter on LTIR and/or trading Guentzel. Of course it could also be Rust/Rakell or Granlund if there are takers, but Guentzel seems more realistic in terms of getting value back.

Letang…. Well. I would like that personally, but would of course be complicated. Would require a special fit/him being interested in going.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I'm so annoyed that we passed on Vrana at 50% retained for 3 years. 2.625 mil.
His career 5v5 P60 is a tiny bit shy of Guentzel, a known great 5v5 producer.

Alcoholism or not, how do you not roll that dice? How do you go for 5 mil for Granlund (1.65 career rate) instead...
Vrana gets a much better ratio of goals too.

That's less than we paid for McGinn! Could have saved the pick too! Blues paid a 7th! f***!

 

[Turin]

I'm so annoyed that we passed on Vrana at 50% retained for 3 years. 2.625 mil.
His career 5v5 P60 is a tiny bit shy of Guentzel, a known great 5v5 producer.

Alcoholism or not, how do you not roll that dice? How do you go for 5 mil for Granlund (1.65 career rate) instead...
Vrana gets a much better ratio of goals too.

That's less than we paid for McGinn! Could have saved the pick too! Blues paid a 7th! f***!

I wouldn't be too annoyed. Every other team passed on him too, and Detroit, who needs him, gave him away for nothing while eating salary.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I wouldn't be too annoyed. Every other team passed on him too, and Detroit, who needs him, gave him away for nothing while eating salary.

Ok? We'll see if those teams were idiots for doing that. Dude can play.

 

[66-30-33]

As for next year…. If you replace Dumo, Kulikov, Ruh with POJ and Smith, and Bonino with, say, Pustinen. And you have a little extra from a slight cap-increase and a million more from a lower JJ buyout cost… you can just about swing keeping everything else if Z and Jarry come in with friendly numbers.

Bigger things would have to be about finding a way to get Carter on LTIR and/or trading Guentzel. Of course it could also be Rust/Rakell or Granlund if there are takers, but Guentzel seems more realistic in terms of getting value back.

Letang…. Well. I would like that personally, but would of course be complicated. Would require a special fit/him being interested in going.

What we getting for Jake? we could also trade him and Rusty. Get younger players.

 

[Gurglesons]

Ok? We'll see if those teams were idiots for doing that. Dude can play.

Dude can play outside of the playoffs.

 

[Turin]

Ok? We'll see if those teams were idiots for doing that. Dude can play.

Can he? He’s barely played this year.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Can he? He’s barely played this year.

He was in that program. After that they wouldn't call him up in Detroit.
I'm not saying there's no risk, but the potential rewards at that cap hit are huge.
Ah well. Even putting Granlund aside, 4.1M for Dumo (possibly our 7th best D now) wounds me.

 

[Gurglesons]

He was in that program. After that they wouldn't call him up in Detroit.
I'm not saying there's no risk, but the potential rewards at that cap hit are huge.
Ah well. Even putting Granlund aside, 4.1M for Dumo (possibly our 7th best D now) wounds me.

Seems like Hoffman 2.0 in St Louis.

I dunno. I trust Washington and Yzerman's player evaluation.

I also don't really think we need a player like Vrana. He's fun, but he's a undersized guy who wilts when it gets tough.

 

[Turin]

He was in that program. After that they wouldn't call him up in Detroit.
I'm not saying there's no risk, but the potential rewards at that cap hit are huge.
Ah well. Even putting Granlund aside, 4.1M for Dumo (possibly our 7th best D now) wounds me.

I don't think Yzerman is treating him like a pariah just because he has a drinking problem. Most NHL'ers are bordering on having drinking problems. There is something there that made Yzerman feel the need to cut bait right now for not even nothing, but at the expense of his cap.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

So all of the media outlets have the Pens as the biggest losers of the deadline.

That's ridiculous.

I am not doing cartwheels over what was done but they moderately improved both short term and long term and the cost was minimal.

I would give it a C+/B-. Nothing special in a good or bad way.

Which is a win in my book given where the Pens are both this year and the next couple of years.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think this is an easy way to look at what we gave top and what added in terms of points and some fancy stats.

I don't really understand why everyone in the media is so down on the impact "this year".

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I don't think Yzerman is treating him like a pariah just because he has a drinking problem. Most NHL'ers are bordering on having drinking problems. There is something there that made Yzerman feel the need to cut bait right now for not even nothing, but at the expense of his cap.

I'll take attitude issues at that price. Hell, maybe this team needs more pissed off players on the bench. He defends well anyway. No problem there.
Sigh, I dunno. We just let a good finisher go when that's our #1 problem... Coulda played with Malkin next year...

 

[ChaosAgent]

@DocEmrickSkitters true on POJ. At the same time, at least he wasn’t traded, and he should be a lock for next season.
It also wouldn’t have been serious for Ruh to be our 7th.

True that. I don't think at this point he has the value to be moved. We need a cheapish significant contributor next season, and I would feel quite alright with him in the top 4 if needed. I hope he outplays Dumo/Kulikov to the extent that he forces our hand in the playoffs this year.

 

[Turin]

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I think this is an easy way to look at what we gave top and what added in terms of points and some fancy stats.

I don't really understand why everyone in the media is so down on the impact "this year".

Loool.

McGinn, Blueger and Kapanen combined market value: less than Kapanen's AAV.

 

[Turin]

I'll take attitude issues at that price. Hell, maybe this team needs more pissed off players on the bench. He defends well anyway. No problem there.
Sigh, I dunno. We just let a good finisher go when that's our #1 problem... Coulda played with Malkin next year...

I don't think it's attitude, as in is kinda douchey and immature ala James Neal. And Detroit has rehabbed players before. Yzerman won Cups with raging alcoholics and drug abusers. It's either there are serious doubts that he will be able to play at a professional level due to his issues, or something else that basically the whole league agreed was a big problem. I hope he succeeds because he's a really talented player and a really young guy still - but yea.

Like Gurglssons said, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to Yzerman and MacLellan here.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I'm so annoyed that we passed on Vrana at 50% retained for 3 years. 2.625 mil.
His career 5v5 P60 is a tiny bit shy of Guentzel, a known great 5v5 producer.

Alcoholism or not, how do you not roll that dice? How do you go for 5 mil for Granlund (1.65 career rate) instead...
Vrana gets a much better ratio of goals too.

That's less than we paid for McGinn! Could have saved the pick too! Blues paid a 7th! f***!

I've loved Vrana since his time on the Caps. I agree that it was a missed opportunity to not make a run at him.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

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I think this is an easy way to look at what we gave top and what added in terms of points and some fancy stats.

I don't really understand why everyone in the media is so down on the impact "this year".

Would much rather have Sundqvist and Greenway than Bonino and Granlund. Practically the same cap hit and the same asset cost.

 

[Gurglesons]

Would much rather have Sundqvist and Greenway than Bonino and Granlund. Practically the same cap hit and the same asset cost.

For reference.

I like Greenway, but he doesn't add what we need in the bottom six outside of size.

Sundqvist is someone I've always liked, but I dunno. Both seem like bigger versions of what we had in Kappy and Mcginn.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

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For reference.

I like Greenway, but he doesn't add what we need in the bottom six outside of size.

Sundqvist is someone I've always liked, but I dunno. Both seem like bigger versions of what we had in Kappy and Mcginn.

I think their collective size gives the Penguins something they severely lack for the playoffs, especially since both are willing to use it. Neither is slow, either, and I'm concerned about Bonino's ability to play at a playoff pace after all these years.

Plus, as I noted earlier, instead of picking up Kulikov, they could have thrown in Vrana or someone else for a similar cap hit and really bolstered the options at forward.

I understand what you're saying in terms of the value of Kapanen-Blueger-McGinn. And I see the improved value in Granlund-Bonino compared to the terrible trio, but it still feels like a massive missed opportunity given how many other players were actually moved.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think their collective size gives the Penguins something they severely lack for the playoffs, especially since both are willing to use it. Neither is slow, either, and I'm concerned about Bonino's ability to play at a playoff pace after all these years.

Plus, as I noted earlier, instead of picking up Kulikov, they could have thrown in Vrana or someone else for a similar cap hit and really bolstered the options at forward.

I understand what you're saying in terms of the value of Kapanen-Blueger-McGinn. And I see the improved value in Granlund-Bonino compared to the terrible trio, but it still feels like a massive missed opportunity given how many other players were actually moved.

Sundqvist is definitely slow.

I agree 100%. But ultimately the reality is that what we added ends up being a net negative million compared to what we had a few weeks ago next season and Bonino is a better player even at his age than Teddy.

I like Greenway, but he is Kapanen. Hyper low IQ that does one thing when he enters the zone. If we were going to get someone with term, I'd prefer a piece like Granlund that at least has high IQ.

 

[Turin]

Greenway and Sundqvist coulda been ok but I like Bonino's vision more. Team has lacked guys who can actually pass well in the bottom six for a long time and that's not either of those guys.

 

[Gurglesons]

Greenway and Sundqvist coulda been ok but I like Bonino's vision more. Team has lacked guys who can actually pass well in the bottom six for a long time and that's not either of those guys.

People say Hextall doesn't have a vision, but his entire tenure he's been stripping this team of low IQ players for cerebral ones.

Matheson, Kapanen, McCann, Tanev etc. out.

McGinn, Petry, Granlund, Carter etc. in.

Will it work? I doubt it. But there is that one line across the board in what we acquire and focus on.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Yes, saw this…lol


https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/2023-nhl ... ers-losers

Loser: Pittsburgh Penguins
Ron Hextall certainly made moves at the trade deadline, but not the ones fans wanted him to make. At the deadline, the Penguins acquired Dmitry Kulikov, Nick Bonino, and Mikael Granlund, all fringe players over 30 who expect to bring very little to the table compared to what the team needs. Kulikov seems to be the only player with upside, helped by the fact that Pittsburgh also got out from under Brock McGinn’s bad contract with the deal.

The Penguins have been playing better as of late, but for awhile they were looking incredibly tragic. Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin are having absolutely stellar seasons and there are only so many years left of this Penguins core before they’re set to ride off into the sunset. Instead of swinging for the fences on a deal — the Penguins were in on J.T. Miller but talks cooled off — Hextall didn’t add much of value as his team sits in a precarious wild card spot.

If you’re a Penguins fan, it’s hard to be happy with what management cooked up at the deadline compared to the deals other teams made.

Lol whoever wrote that read the first three pages of the threads here lol

 

[Turin]

People say Hextall doesn't have a vision, but his entire tenure he's been stripping this team of low IQ players for cerebral ones.

Matheson, Kapanen, McCann, Tanev etc. out.

McGinn, Petry, Granlund, Carter etc. in.

Will it work? I doubt it. But there is that one line across the board in what we acquire and focus on.

Hopefully with their combined brain power they can manage the puck in the final 5 minutes of periods.