dogthateats
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I’d rather have some youngish coach like what Montreal did than some retread dinosaur guy like what 75% of the league does. I am saying some brave stuff in general today though
Confirmed with Link: Penguins sign head coach Mike Sullivan to three-year contract extension
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SomeDude
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Matt Cullen for coach. Daddy's home, and he's not happy.
dogthateats
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“I played until age 45 and so can you!”pamphlets on day 1
Big Friggin Dummy
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Honestly? I say just let Sullivan ride off into the sunset with the rest of the guys of the era. It doesn't really f***ing matter at this point. This team should've fired him after he botched the Habs play-in, now we're two and a half years beyond that, so who cares?
Make a coaching change when it's time for the rebuild and you've got an organization full of young players and prospects. Switching shit up now doesn't do much. Maybe they make the playoffs, maybe they make the second round if the stars align and everybody remains healthy and playing to their ability. Sullivan's not holding back some team on the brink of another Cup, imo.
He's annoying in his TOI distribution and tendencies regarding lines, but whatever. All coaches are. Like @dogthateats says, unless you grab some younger coach guy that hasn't had the "play 'em to a draw, veteran leadership above all" mantra bashed into his head yet, it doesn't matter.
My big thing, for years, is that I really question whether Sullivan's even capable of navigating the rebuild chapter as a coach. I have next to zero faith he'd allow the more skilled, creative guys to do their thing instead of trying to reshape them into NHL veteran drones in the shape of the ZAR mold. Risk averse to a nauseating degree. Would rather wring the creativity and flow out of a guy's game than even chance the dude taking a risk with the puck.
Make a coaching change when it's time for the rebuild and you've got an organization full of young players and prospects. Switching shit up now doesn't do much. Maybe they make the playoffs, maybe they make the second round if the stars align and everybody remains healthy and playing to their ability. Sullivan's not holding back some team on the brink of another Cup, imo.
He's annoying in his TOI distribution and tendencies regarding lines, but whatever. All coaches are. Like @dogthateats says, unless you grab some younger coach guy that hasn't had the "play 'em to a draw, veteran leadership above all" mantra bashed into his head yet, it doesn't matter.
My big thing, for years, is that I really question whether Sullivan's even capable of navigating the rebuild chapter as a coach. I have next to zero faith he'd allow the more skilled, creative guys to do their thing instead of trying to reshape them into NHL veteran drones in the shape of the ZAR mold. Risk averse to a nauseating degree. Would rather wring the creativity and flow out of a guy's game than even chance the dude taking a risk with the puck.
pistolpete11
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They could make a coaching change now AND in 3-4-5 years when the core retires. It would be like....ya know....a normal NHL coaching stint.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
Sullivan's biggest sin is allowing boring ass hockey to be played, not losing, IMO.
I could care less if we're closing in on the 16 game losing streak record as long as we're playing some entertaining hockey.
I could care less if we're closing in on the 16 game losing streak record as long as we're playing some entertaining hockey.
DesertedPenguin
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They are 3 points out of a guaranteed playoff spot. Not exactly a danger zone.
Gurglesons
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They have a point percentage of .455 and have played more games than everyone above them outside of the Rangers, Leafs and Caps.
DesertedPenguin
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This time last year, they were 8th in the Metro and 14th in the east. They were five points out of a guaranteed playoff spot (third in the Metro) and three points out of a wild card spot.
Do they need to get their crap together? Yes.
Is the world ending? No.
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ChaosAgent
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I agree we aren't firing him and the team hasn't quit.
But we should fire him and GCRLetang should be a lot less comfortable without their favorite.coach on the bench.
Coastal Kev
There will be "I told you so's" Bet on it
I was early on the fire sully train, but as it sits right now, HEX is the bigger issue that needs addressed.
Ownership loves the Boston beaner and I am not looking at Hextall as the GM who pushed this. Sully has to go and Hextall has to get some players on the 4th line who will bring that element of physical guys who will deliver a big hit or look to mix it up on other teams player who take liberties with Sid, Geno ect.
Darren McCord
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This is the most concerning part. They havent quite on him which means the issues are entirely systematic and execution.
Sullivan wont change the system or lines and the players are executing. There isn't a path forward unless something gives. The easiest thing is for Sullivan to stop being so stubborn and actually coach
Serious question tho. How much revenue is lost from missing playoffs. Does making the playoffs bring enough money to hire a new coach. Could be a good reason to fire sully
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I agree that the new ownership group will only can Sully if things get much uglier than this, given that they just extended him. With that said, things change very fast. If the team lost another few in a row, it could spiral quickly into chatter about the core guys being unhappy, etc. Again, I don't think it's likely, but I don't think it's impossible.
But as for coming out the gates hot this season - we were scoring in bunches but a lot of the troubling patterns from last season and beyond were still there: allowing countless oddman rushes against (including/especially while on the PP), a dismal PK, and poor defensive zone coverage.
If I were at the helm, I'd be inclined to replace Sully. He's a great coach. We've won a lot with him. But I think four consecutive first round losses + this streak + the bad patterns persisting indicate that it's time for a new voice.
BHD
Vejmelka for Vezina
Meh... Depends if you think the roster is good enough to win a Cup. If not, then what does it matter?
Big Friggin Dummy
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Was there some kinda massive shift in the systems this team employs and what it asks of their players this summer?
Genuine question. I can't even tell.
It pretty much all seems the same to me except Jarry/CDS are playing like dogshit.
-edit- As for the playoff revenue thing, I don't know that FSG is overly concerned with it. If they were, they probably wouldn't have have extended Sully and kept Hextall around after the fourth straight 1st round loss. By all accounts, they spent a billion dollars on the team because they are interested not only the hockey team, but in real estate stuff around the arena and downtown Pittsburgh on a pretty large scale.
I doubt they looked at the recent state of things and the age of this roster and said "Yeah, gimme that team for a billion. Can't wait to rake in the couple million in playoff revenue for a round every spring."
Genuine question. I can't even tell.
It pretty much all seems the same to me except Jarry/CDS are playing like dogshit.-edit- As for the playoff revenue thing, I don't know that FSG is overly concerned with it. If they were, they probably wouldn't have have extended Sully and kept Hextall around after the fourth straight 1st round loss.
By all accounts, they spent a billion dollars on the team because they are interested not only the hockey team, but in real estate stuff around the arena and downtown Pittsburgh on a pretty large scale.I doubt they looked at the recent state of things and the age of this roster and said "Yeah, gimme that team for a billion. Can't wait to rake in the couple million in playoff revenue for a round every spring."
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Honour Over Glory
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It’s not even that. What we like in Martin is that he is not afraid to let the kids grow and learn from their mistakes. Meanwhile we’ve only had coaches that punish youth for mistakes but let veterans get away with any mistake.
I wanted a coach that tried things and wasn’t afraid to adjust and think outside the box. I still like Ryan Warsofsky and wouldn’t mind Forrest as the D coach (which he excelled at) and a veteran assistant.
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EVIL LAUGH
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Malkinstheman
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Everytime I come to HF, I hope the title says Sullivans been fired. Too bad its not gonna happen
Knights - Cassidy
Bruins - Montgomery
Jets - Bounus
Stars - Deboar
Habs - St Louis
Hawks - Richardson
Flyers - Torts
Teams all benefited from a new voice. Coaches have shelf lives with the same group. Sullivan is a good coach. He was a good coach for the Pens.
the Penguins didnt need to change Marino and Mattheson for Petry and Rutta. They needed to change coaches. Still do.
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