Pavel clearly feels he is not good enough to be a star player in this league anymore. He wants to be remembered for what he once was, not what he has become. He feels he only has a year of hockey left in him and he wants to spend it in Russia. After so many surgeries, I can't believe he is still playing.
Yes but it's the playing in Russia that makes this a bit hard to take.
I totally understand not feeling up to the level of another NHL season. But then he should LTIRetire. He can go back to Russia and be with his family, would still get paid, and the Wings wouldn't get hammered with the cap hit.
He won't sit out a full season. I guarantee you that.
Would there be a big push back from Wings' fans? After the way he's ****ing the team two ways from Sunday cap-wise? I dunno. I'm not overly sympathetic to his cause myself, but there's probably lots of other people around here that feel differently than me.
Can someone send a link to the relevant rules regarding how it'd work? As I remember it, both parties had to be in agreement for a player to retire the way Kovalchuk did, but that's just from the top of my mind.Guys, Datsyuk's situation is regulated by NHL by-laws regarding Volutary Retirement. Detroit can't prevent him from signing in KHL because voluntary retirement was designed specifically for such situations. Pasha will file his papers, terminate his contract and be free to do whatever he pleases outside of NHL. This is not slavery and Datsyuk doesn't break his contract, he is using a legal option given to him by NHL.
That's why it is important to trade him before he retires. I guess when Holland says that he won't trade his rights he doesn't mean it, he just hopes to talk him into playing one more year.
Is there a way where both parties agree to nullify the contract? I could be remembering wrong but I seem to remember something like that happening before.
Re: LTIRetring
If Holland and the Illitch's can convince Pav to play a year he didn't really want to (this year) I think they can convince him to sit out a year to help out the team cap wise.
Datsyuk leaving is worse then Federov leaving. Datsyuk has one more year on his contract and will screw the wings over next year. Federov had no reason to resign with the Wings as he was a free agent and could be replaced.
Plus he could let his body rest for a year (he could probably use that), then just play in the KHL the following season.
Can someone send a link to the relevant rules regarding how it'd work? As I remember it, both parties had to be in agreement for a player to retire the way Kovalchuk did, but that's just from the top of my mind.
I can see him sitting for a year, depending on just how serious he is about his daughter/family. But if there is indeed a loophole for retired players, then I guess it's a moot point.
I'm with you, I'm not very sympathetic to him either. I'm just gauging the reaction I've seen so far from Wings fans (on this board, in other media, on FB), and I'm sure you're right, lots of people feel differently than you and I. Most seem to find no fault, or nearly no fault, it what he's doing.
He's what, 38 now? Takes a year out and then tries to come back at 40 with one knee, and no ankles? Just not realistic for him to try and regain his fitness at that age, even for a lower intensity league like the KHL.
It took me some time but here: By-laws
Section 8 covers how player can be transferred from Reserve List to Voluntary Retirement List. In short, it can be done without approval of the club. It is not clear what happens to the player contract after he is placed on Voluntary Retirement List but my guess that it is terminated.
Taking a year off = one knee and no ankles?
Wouldn't a year off make those things better? I mean, that was my point.
Taking a year off = one knee and no ankles?
Wouldn't a year off make those things better? I mean, that was my point.
Thanks a lot for digging that up, I sure couldn't find it and it wasn't from a lack of trying. I'm in no way a lawyer, but section 8.5. (a) and (b) sure makes it look like he wouldn't be allowed to play professional hockey anywhere unless Detroit says he can.It took me some time but here: By-laws
Section 8 covers how player can be transferred from Reserve List to Voluntary Retirement List. In short, it can be done without approval of the club. It is not clear what happens to the player contract after he is placed on Voluntary Retirement List but my guess that it is terminated.
The IIHF would hammer this understanding of the agreement when it was contested. For instance the team that drafted Robstov should tell him to voluntarily retire from the KHL when his fee is up for debate, Svechnikov's little brother why wait for your contract to be in-line just retire and ditch the KHL... Radulov or Kovalchuk himself could have been targeted to just retire in the KHL for years. Yes they often terminate contracts overseas making this different. However, this isn't a retirement and nobody could be convinced of that unless he doesn't play hockey next year. Now the Wings could make the same deal the Devils did and terminate his contract to let him go. Not sure why they would. They can in fact contest that he in violation of their agreement because he hasn't retired from playing professional ice hockey.
Furthermore do you think Datsyuk doesn't have a non-compete clause somewhere in his contract? These guys are often prohibited from things like snow skiing, motorcycle riding and so forth. I severely doubt that even in the event of a faux retirement they couldn't find his playing in the KHL as a violation of his binding contractual agreement. Now it would involve some serious litigation and it would be heartbreaking to watch, but the idea they have to sit back on their hands and take it if they don't want to is something I seriously doubt.
Thanks a lot for digging that up, I sure couldn't find it and it wasn't from a lack of trying. I'm in no way a lawyer, but section 8.5. (a) and (b) sure makes it look like he wouldn't be allowed to play professional hockey anywhere unless Detroit says he can.
Playing lawyer isn't really something I'm interested in, the contract he signed seems to prohibit him from playing in the KHL. Best case scenario would be that he plays in the KHL anyway without Detroits permission and they declare him in breach of contract. Voila, no more cap problem and Pavel gets to do what he wants.There are 2 possible problems: 1) Does NHL recognise international leagues as "organized hockey"? Judging by some situations with CHL-NHL agreement I'm not so sure about it. 2) What does Memorandum of Understanding between KHL and NHL actually say? If Datsyuk is not bound by a contact, does KHL have to respect by-laws
of NHL? I doubt it.
It took me some time but here: By-laws
Section 8 covers how player can be transferred from Reserve List to Voluntary Retirement List. In short, it can be done without approval of the club. It is not clear what happens to the player contract after he is placed on Voluntary Retirement List but my guess that it is terminated.
There are multiple ways to end your contract in other leagues. In KHL, for example, a player can buyout his last year of a contract without consent of his club. And players use it to leave their club to play NHL. Why would IIHF have problems with it if it is just another legal way to terminate a contract?
There are 2 possible problems: 1) Does NHL recognise international leagues as "organized hockey"? Judging by some situations with CHL-NHL agreement I'm not so sure about it. 2) What does Memorandum of Understanding between KHL and NHL actually say? If Datsyuk is not bound by a contact, does KHL have to respect by-laws
of NHL? I doubt it.
Kobe and Datsyuk the same year... not fair.
Come on, one is the Patrick Kane of Basketball and the other is the Tim Duncan of hockey. Apples and oranges.