Pierre from Orleans
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How in the world can anyone 'absolutely despise' him.
You need help
I despised some of his coaching decisions but other than that I enjoyed him as a person
How in the world can anyone 'absolutely despise' him.
You need help
I despised some of his coaching decisions but other than that I enjoyed him as a person
Paul McLean is a class act. I enjoy his sense of humour and I don't believe he could have got much more out of a middling group of players provided by an incompetent GM and a cheapskate owner.
This x1000
I finally hit my breaking point with this team. There's no direction, just be happy with a group that pushes for the 8th seed every year.
This x1000
I finally hit my breaking point with this team. There's no direction, just be happy with a group that pushes for the 8th seed every year.
Yep. Cameron will be inevitably fired, replaced by a yes man coach, Murray will eventually leave, and be replaced by yes man gm, who will be fired and eventually replaced by another yes man gmI've accepted that our Stanley Cup is the 8th seed with the consistent bottom 5 payroll and the cap due to increase by another 5 million on top of last year's increases. We're just gonna fall even further behind.
Paul McLean is a class act. I enjoy his sense of humour and I don't believe he could have got much more out of a middling group of players provided by an incompetent GM and a cheapskate owner.
Except these players have played better earlier in there careers and have regressed...we know for a fact he wasnt getting the most out of them.
Except these players have played better earlier in there careers and have regressed...we know for a fact he wasnt getting the most out of them.
Just for arguments sake,
Cowen and Ceci are playing some of their best hockey together. Cowen may have looked as good back when he was playing with Gonchar, but that's debatable.
MacArthur took a huge step forward since coming here (granted that he did have some good season's before, but it looks like he's back to that)
Many of the players regressing (Michalek, Neil, Karlsson, Spezza, Phillips) have pretty obvious explanations, be it age or injury.
Ryan has seen a slight increase in pts per game since his last seasons in Anaheim despite playing through injuries a good chunk his time here, and has added an improved defensive game to his repertoire.
Turris saw obvious improvements over his time in Phx and was expected to struggle a bit now that he's bumped into a #1 center role.
Anderson and Lehner seem to be doing fine.
TOTAL BS.
SO Zibanejad hasn't improved? Cowen? Ceci? Turris (the guy Phoenix gave up on)?
You know nothing for "fact". Please prove how anyone regressed? Other than Zack Smith (who sucks and has mashed potatoes for brains).
Like i said before...MacLean said it takes a year before a player understand a system and before that they play on instinct.
Cowen, Wier, Condra, Greening, Smith most of the first wave of call ups who looked good got worse.
Its impossible to make an argument if we start off by saying zach smith sucks. We know hes better then hes been.
Then you have Phillips and Neil looking worse because they were over played. Suggesting these are middling players is fine but suggesting he couldnt get more out of them is false because they have played better earlier in their careers and theres been no reason for them to get worse or look as bad as they have.
One name i forgot was Methot. Everyone was saying he took steps backwards last year from his first season.
Oh, ok, so you're just going off total confirmation bias then?
How has Condra gotten worse? His play, after being scratched has easily exceeded what he was doing last year. And his play last year wasn't bad at all. He was a victim of numbers that saw Maclean want to play Hoffman and Stone instead.
Greening? Greening is the same player now that he was three years ago. He is a middling power forward that was made to look better by playing with Jason Spezza.
Wiercoch? His poor play can be attributed to his poor foot speed, skating and strength. All major physical limitations that no amount of coaching can overcome barring steroids and some major ice skating coaching.
Cowen has easily improved this year. The fact that you mention his name with this lot shows your inability to evaluate players properly.
You've also avoided players like Stone and Hoffman (who have clearly improved from year-to-year) because they don't fit your agenda.
And that you need to use Neil and Phillips to support your argument, considering anyone could attest that performance downturn to, you know, AGE means you've just taken a position of dissent on Maclean and no amount of actual facts would dissuade you from this position.
Cowen and Ceci have played ... what? 5 or so games together and personally i'm not seeing the huge improvement that people keep talking about.
So 3rd and 4th liners and bottom pair D regressing are your issue? Imo, neither of Greening or Condra have regressed, they just are what they are. Smith isn't much different now than he was a few years ago either. Wiercioch to me just isn't being used. That's different imo than regressing, but still a valid concern.Condra, Greening, Smith and Wier are obvious answers. Cowen probably deserves to be in that group too. Bottom line Wier and Cowen were suppose to be huge pieces of this dcore and Murray believes both have been mismanaged(he doesnt believe in healthy scratching young players rather he wants them to be coached through their issues).
What??? Watch his skating when he arrived vs now and it's a clear difference. Still fastest skater on the team???Injuries might of had an impact but we see tons of players come back from injuries and continue on the same career trajectory. Michalek was injured but hes still the fastest skater on the team so i question just how much injuries real have hindered him of late.
Ryan regressed from Anaheim and when asked he said the injury had no effect on his play till the end of the season.
I give him zero credit for Lehner or Anderson although admittedly in my mind he'd have nothing to do with them aside from saying who's starting.
Then we can throw out that the defense is still bad and hes seemingly has had no effect on it improving.
Ceci and Cowen are each other's most common partners. They have each played together for about 10 games. If you don't see the improvement, that's on you not me.
So 3rd and 4th liners and bottom pair D regressing are your issue? Imo, neither of Greening or Condra have regressed, they just are what they are. Smith isn't much different now than he was a few years ago either. Wiercioch to me just isn't being used. That's different imo than regressing, but still a valid concern. I'm not going to look up the stats but havent Condra's possession numbers and points totals dropped since his rookie season? Greening was an effective player without spezza. Ho hes probably not a 20 goal scorer but he isnt as bad as 6 goal scorer.
What??? Watch his skating when he arrived vs now and it's a clear difference. Still fastest skater on the team??? didnt he win the last skill comp for fastest skater? an if you dont see him use his speed on occaision thats on you not me
Last season in Anaheim: .65 pts per game.
This year: .71 + improved defensive game.
He's also not getting time on the PP with Getzlaf and Perry here. Was it him or Selanne on the pp with ryan and how many pp point was ryan even getting?
As far as the injury not affecting him, of course he'd say that, whether it's the truth or not we will never know though. I don't know about you, but if I'm doing something through pain, it's going to affect me no matter how often I say it doesn't.
Personally when ive played through sports injuries and the adrelaine gets going nagging injuries seem to lessen. Ryan said it didnt bother him so we likely have to take him on his word.
I have no clue how much or little he worked with the goalies, so whatever. He did chose to play Anderson through his struggles last year which brought some criticism, but Anderson did rebound nicely posting some great numbers from Dec onward.
This is a different argument completely; the defense seems to be the combined result of a system and the lack of required talent to execute it. He expected his D to exit the zone with limited support form the forwards, and guys like Phillips, Gryba, Boro and Cowen aren't built for that. Methot being out made it all the worse, but this isn't really relevant to players regressing.
Im not buying players have regressed because of Maclean.
i dont have time to argue and look up stats atm some stats i have checked in the past others i havent
I'm not going to look up the stats but havent Condra's possession numbers and points totals dropped since his rookie season? Greening was an effective player without spezza. Ho hes probably not a 20 goal scorer but he isnt as bad as 6 goal scorer.
an if you dont see him use his speed on occaision thats on you not me
Was it him or Selanne on the pp with ryan and how many pp point was ryan even getting?
Personally when ive played through sports injuries and the adrelaine gets going nagging injuries seem to lessen. Ryan said it didnt bother him so we likely have to take him on his word.