Player Discussion Patrice Bergeron III

[BMC]

Seeing Esa Tikkanen being a Selke finalist for 3 straight years made me spit my coffee on my keyboard......

I wanted to throw up. I hated that little pos.

 

[RoccoF14]

I wanted to throw up. I hated that little pos.

I didn't know that hooking, holding and interfering for an entire game was all that you needed to do to get a Selke nomination......

With today's rules, there's no WAY that guy could have survived in this league.

 

[Trap Jesus]

Just a mini-analysis of how he scored his goals in his 20-year old season vs. how he scored his goals in his 32-34 year old seasons:

Not based on shot charts but eye-test (separated one-timers from slap shots):

Age	20 years old	32-34 years old
Non-EN Goals	31	81 (12 EN)
STRENGTH - ES	58.10%	55.60%
STRENGTH - PP	38.70%	37%
STRENGTH - SH	3.20%	7.40%
TYPE - Backhand	9.70%	7.40%
TYPE - Deflection	6.50%	14.80%
TYPE - Deke	19.40%	3.70%
TYPE - One-Timer	25.80%	29.60%
TYPE - Slap	9.70%	0%
TYPE - Snap	12.90%	14.80%
TYPE - Wrist	16.10%	28.40%
TYPE - Wraparound	0%	1.20%
AREA - Crease	32.30%	8.60%
AREA - Low Slot	19.40%	28.40%
AREA - Middle Slot	12.90%	24.70%
AREA - High Slot	3.20%	6.20%
AREA - Inside of Circle	16.10%	17.30%
AREA - Top of Circle	3.20%	9.90%
AREA - Bottom of Circle	6.50%	2.50%
AREA - Perimeter	6.50%	2.50%
POSSESSION - 0 Seconds	51.60%	59.30%
POSSESSION - 1 Second	16.10%	28.40%
POSSESSION - 2 Seconds	12.90%	7.40%
POSSESSION - 3-4 Seconds	3.20%	3.70%
POSSESSION - 5+ Seconds	16.10%	1.20%
Average ToP Before Shot	1.5 Seconds	0.7 Seconds

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Selection of plays where he generated goals from his skating early in his career (included some assists):



Selection of quick shots from finding open space in the last 3 seasons:

 

[wintersej]

^ I remember the dekes but I don't remember Bergeron skating like that. Thanks for sharing.

 

[TwineTickler]

I still think Bergy skates really well, but I've always thought the Jones hit really changed some things with what his ceiling could have been. Obviously not a shocker considering how horrible the concussion was. That hit doesn't happen, injuries aside I think he'd have 100-200 more points

 

[Trap Jesus]

I still think Bergy skates really well, but I've always thought the Jones hit really changed some things with what his ceiling could have been. Obviously not a shocker considering how horrible the concussion was. That hit doesn't happen, injuries aside I think he'd have 100-200 more points

He definitely was a more smooth skater as a 20 year old but he was still scoring off the rush in 2013/14 and 2015/16 when he scored 30. I don't have it broken down like above, but these are the raw totals:

Strength	Type	Location	Context	Seconds of Possession
ES	Wrist	Inside Circle	Cycle down low with possession	8
ES	Wrist/Rebound	Crease	Rush from own blueline	7
SH	Deke/Wrist	Slot	Rush from blueline	7
PP	Wrist	Inside Circle	Give and go from own blueline	6
PP	Wrist	Outside Circle	Rush from center	5
ES	Deke	Crease	Give and Go	5
ES	One-Timer	Low Slot	Give and Go	4
ES	One-Timer	Crease	Give and go	4
ES	Wrist	Outside Circle	Cycle, down low work	4
ES	Backhand	Low Slot	Breakaway from blueline	4
ES	Deke	Crease	Pass to slot, deke	3
ES	Deke	Crease	Give and Go	3
ES	Wrist	Inside Circle	Forecheck, carry	3
ES	Rebound	Crease	Pass to slot, shot, rebound	2
PP	Deke	Crease	Pass to slot	2
PP	One-Timer/Rebound	Inside Circle	Pass to slot	2
ES	Deke	Crease	Pass to slot	2
ES	Deke	Low Slot	Pass to slot	2
ES	Wrist	Inside Circle	Pass	2
ES	Deke/Wraparound	Crease	Loose Puck	2
ES	Deke	Crease	Forecheck, loose puck, deke	2
PP	Rebound	Inside Circle	Workaround on PP, Rebound	1
ES	Wrist	Blueline	Shot through screen	1
SH	Wrist	Slot	Pass	1
ES	Snap	Low Slot	Pass	1
EN	Snap	Crease	Pass	1
EN	Wrist	Crease	Pass	1
PP	Wrist	Low Slot	Loose Puck	1
PP	Snap	Low Slot	Loose Puck	1
ES	Wrist	Outside Circle	Loose Puck	1
ES	Rebound	Crease	Loose Puck	1
ES	Wraparound	Crease	Loose Puck	1
EN	Wrist	Bottom of Circle	Forecheck	1
ES	Wrist	Inside Circle	2-on-1 pass	1
PP	One-Timer	Low Slot	Workaround on PP	0
PP	Deflection	Slot	Shot for tip	0
PP	Deflection	Slot	Shot for Tip	0
PP	Deflection	Slot	Shot for tip	0
ES	Deflection	Inside Circle	Shot for tip	0
ES	Deflection	Low Slot	Shot for tip	0
ES	Deflection	Inside Circle	Shot for tip	0
ES	Deflection	Low Slot	Shot for tip	0
PP	Bat/Rebound	Crease	Shot for rebound	0
PP	One-Timer	High Slot	Pass	0
PP	One-Timer	Slot	Pass	0
PP	One-Timer	Inside Circle	Pass	0
PP	One-Timer	Slot	Pass	0
PP	One-Timer	Top of Circle	Pass	0
PP	One-Timer	High Slot	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Inside Circle	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Slot	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Bottom of Circle	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	High Slot	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Top of Circle	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Low Slot	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Low Slot	Pass	0
ES	Snap	Low Slot	Loose Puck	0
ES	Slap	Slot	Loose Puck	0
ES	Snap	Top of Circle	Loose Puck	0
ES	Bat	Low Slot	Loose Puck	0
ES	Rebound	Bottom of Circle	Cycle/Pass	0
ES	Rebound	Crease	Collect rebound	0

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[TwineTickler]

He definitely was a more smooth skater as a 20 year old but he was still scoring off the rush in 2013/14 and 2015/16 when he scored 30. I don't have it broken down like above, but these are the raw totals:

Strength	Type	Location	Context	Seconds of Possession
ES	Wrist	Inside Circle	Cycle down low with possession	8
ES	Wrist/Rebound	Crease	Rush from own blueline	7
SH	Deke/Wrist	Slot	Rush from blueline	7
PP	Wrist	Inside Circle	Give and go from own blueline	6
PP	Wrist	Outside Circle	Rush from center	5
ES	Deke	Crease	Give and Go	5
ES	One-Timer	Low Slot	Give and Go	4
ES	One-Timer	Crease	Give and go	4
ES	Wrist	Outside Circle	Cycle, down low work	4
ES	Backhand	Low Slot	Breakaway from blueline	4
ES	Deke	Crease	Pass to slot, deke	3
ES	Deke	Crease	Give and Go	3
ES	Wrist	Inside Circle	Forecheck, carry	3
ES	Rebound	Crease	Pass to slot, shot, rebound	2
PP	Deke	Crease	Pass to slot	2
PP	One-Timer/Rebound	Inside Circle	Pass to slot	2
ES	Deke	Crease	Pass to slot	2
ES	Deke	Low Slot	Pass to slot	2
ES	Wrist	Inside Circle	Pass	2
ES	Deke/Wraparound	Crease	Loose Puck	2
ES	Deke	Crease	Forecheck, loose puck, deke	2
PP	Rebound	Inside Circle	Workaround on PP, Rebound	1
ES	Wrist	Blueline	Shot through screen	1
SH	Wrist	Slot	Pass	1
ES	Snap	Low Slot	Pass	1
EN	Snap	Crease	Pass	1
EN	Wrist	Crease	Pass	1
PP	Wrist	Low Slot	Loose Puck	1
PP	Snap	Low Slot	Loose Puck	1
ES	Wrist	Outside Circle	Loose Puck	1
ES	Rebound	Crease	Loose Puck	1
ES	Wraparound	Crease	Loose Puck	1
EN	Wrist	Bottom of Circle	Forecheck	1
ES	Wrist	Inside Circle	2-on-1 pass	1
PP	One-Timer	Low Slot	Workaround on PP	0
PP	Deflection	Slot	Shot for tip	0
PP	Deflection	Slot	Shot for Tip	0
PP	Deflection	Slot	Shot for tip	0
ES	Deflection	Inside Circle	Shot for tip	0
ES	Deflection	Low Slot	Shot for tip	0
ES	Deflection	Inside Circle	Shot for tip	0
ES	Deflection	Low Slot	Shot for tip	0
PP	Bat/Rebound	Crease	Shot for rebound	0
PP	One-Timer	High Slot	Pass	0
PP	One-Timer	Slot	Pass	0
PP	One-Timer	Inside Circle	Pass	0
PP	One-Timer	Slot	Pass	0
PP	One-Timer	Top of Circle	Pass	0
PP	One-Timer	High Slot	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Inside Circle	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Slot	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Bottom of Circle	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	High Slot	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Top of Circle	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Low Slot	Pass	0
ES	One-Timer	Low Slot	Pass	0
ES	Snap	Low Slot	Loose Puck	0
ES	Slap	Slot	Loose Puck	0
ES	Snap	Top of Circle	Loose Puck	0
ES	Bat	Low Slot	Loose Puck	0
ES	Rebound	Bottom of Circle	Cycle/Pass	0
ES	Rebound	Crease	Collect rebound	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

This was his age 30 season? Clearly he's changing his game to still be effective. I'm all for it. He doesn't seem to be slowing down to me.

 

[Trap Jesus]

This was his age 30 season? Clearly he's changing his game to still be effective. I'm all for it. He doesn't seem to be slowing down to me.

That was when he was 28 and 30, those two 30-goal seasons. I just looked at all seasons that he scored 30 goals as they were all between 30-32 goals.

 

[Trap Jesus]

He's tied for the 5th most playoff OT goals of all time now:

Place	Player	OT Goals	Playoff Games
1	Joe Sakic	8	172
2	Maurice Richard	6	132
T-3	Glenn Anderson	5	225
T-3	Patrick Kane	5	132
T-5	Nicklas Backstrom	4	126
T-5	Patrice Bergeron	4	140
T-5	Wayne Gretzky	4	208
T-5	Dale Hunter	4	186
T-5	Jaromir Jagr	4	208
T-5	Jamie Langenbrunner	4	146
T-5	Patrick Marleau	4	195
T-5	Kirk Muller	4	127
T-5	Joe Murphy	4	120
T-5	Bobby Nystrom	4	157
T-5	Corey Perry	4	122
T-5	Stephane Richer	4	134
T-5	Jeremy Roenick	4	154
T-5	Martin St. Louis	4	107
T-5	Esa Tikkanen	4	186

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[Bruinaura]

He's tied for the 5th most playoff OT goals of all time now:

Place	Player	OT Goals	Playoff Games
1	Joe Sakic	8	172
2	Maurice Richard	6	132
T-3	Glenn Anderson	5	132
T-3	Patrick Kane	5	225
T-5	Nicklas Backstrom	4	126
T-5	Patrice Bergeron	4	140
T-5	Wayne Gretzky	4	208
T-5	Dale Hunter	4	186
T-5	Jaromir Jagr	4	208
T-5	Jamie Langenbrunner	4	146
T-5	Patrick Marleau	4	195
T-5	Kirk Muller	4	127
T-5	Joe Murphy	4	120
T-5	Bobby Nystrom	4	157
T-5	Corey Perry	4	122
T-5	Stephane Richer	4	134
T-5	Jeremy Roenick	4	154
T-5	Martin St. Louis	4	107
T-5	Esa Tikkanen	4	186

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Wow, Kane has played a truckload of playoff games

 

[Trap Jesus]

Wow, Kane has played a truckload of playoff games

Lol whoops, that should be switched with Anderson, good catch

 

[Bruinaura]

Lol whoops, that should be switched with Anderson, good catch

Lol I didn't think he had played that many more than Bergeron, both made the final three times

 

[13Hockey]

In his last 35 playoff games At Even Strength

Bergeron 3G 6A 9P


his game logs post round 1 vs Toronto where he and the 1st line went nuts And had a combined 30 points in the series with a lot of that coming 5on5....since that series in 2018 I haven’t noticed him much besides for the PP in the playoffs

Other guys during that time frame

DeBrusk 7G 4A 11P
Krejci 5G 13A 18P
Pastrnak 8G 9A 17 P
Marchand 9G 9A 18 P
Coyle 8G 5A 13P

Bergeron has basically become a power play specialist for the last few playoff series

really concerned about him he has not looked good against Carolina at all if Mrazek didn’t forget where the net is in OT Bergeron would have pretty much given us nothing this series

 

[CDJ]

OT goal kinda important tho

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

I’d be hard pressed to call one of the best defensive forwards of all time a power play specialist

 

[HumBucker]

In his last 35 playoff games At Even Strength

Bergeron 3G 6A 9P


his game logs post round 1 vs Toronto where he and the 1st line went nuts And had a combined 30 points in the series with a lot of that coming 5on5....since that series in 2018 I haven’t noticed him much besides for the PP in the playoffs

Other guys during that time frame

DeBrusk 7G 4A 11P
Krejci 5G 13A 18P
Pastrnak 8G 9A 17 P
Marchand 9G 9A 18 P
Coyle 8G 5A 13P

Bergeron has basically become a power play specialist for the last few playoff series

really concerned about him he has not looked good against Carolina at all if Mrazek didn’t forget where the net is in OT Bergeron would have pretty much given us nothing this series

Kind of a strange way to approach an analysis. "Let's take that series where he was really good and toss it out, then measure from there."

 

[jgatie]

Bergeron has basically become a power play specialist for the last few playoff series

Good grief.

 

[BMC]

Something up with him? Staal has pretty much shut him down.

 

[NDiesel]

Definitely hasn't looked like Bergy these playoffs, luckily he can still play rock solid defense and contribute when he isn't rolling offensively.

 

[Bruinaura]

There must be a flaming hot take in here that I'm not seeing lol.

He has a 2OT goal. That's pretty big.

Do I wish he had more goals? Sure, why not.

It's Bergeron, I'm not worried about his production.

 

[Trap Jesus]

Everything is up to speed with him but his hands. I wonder if it's a mix of rust and ice conditions for him that he's struggling with. He's still dominating possession when he's on and controlling the game, but he's shanking a LOT of shots. 25 of his 47 shot attempts are on net, and only 5 of those were blocked. So of overall shot attempts these 7 games, 2.1% have gone in, 53.2% are on net, 10.6% are blocked, and 36.2% miss the net. In the regular season, 9.5% of his shot attempts went in, 62.3% were on net, 17.8% were blocked, and 19.9% missed the net.

You could see it at the end of the 2nd, you could tell he was just trying to focus on getting it on net with the very little wind-up at all, the first shot attempt is maybe the least dangerous bumper one-timer you'll ever see from him:

 

[DarrenBanks56]

hopefully his hands come in round 2. because marshy has been puttimg them on a plate for him.

 

[Trap Jesus]

hopefully his hands come in round 2. because marshy has been puttimg them on a plate for him.

If ice conditions are playing a role that should improve. If Bruins advance to Round 2, they won't have to go on after another team on the same ice sheet in the same day, and there will be way more time for ice maintenance. Past that, Edmonton's ice conditions clearly look better than Toronto.

 

[Dabruins]

Bergeron is literally a god to me. Favourite athlete of all time (which is saying something trust me). I don't think it's unfair to be a little concerned with him. I've watched almost every minute of this man's career as I'm sure others on here have to. Last nights game was not good by his standards. He is still doing his thing in terms of being responsible and always seems in position, but he is losing puck battles, shanking shots, some being high caliber scoring chances. Offensively he just seems off. Still comes up big when we need him most (2ot gwg), but I'm definitely a little concerned. He was on pace in regular season to put up the most goals in a season in his hall of fame career so I don't think from March to August he just lost his scoring touch... seems to concentrate so hard on D in playoffs that maybe the O takes a back seat. Not sure, just want him back to himself.

 

[TwineTickler]

In his last 35 playoff games At Even Strength

Bergeron 3G 6A 9P


his game logs post round 1 vs Toronto where he and the 1st line went nuts And had a combined 30 points in the series with a lot of that coming 5on5....since that series in 2018 I haven’t noticed him much besides for the PP in the playoffs

Other guys during that time frame

DeBrusk 7G 4A 11P
Krejci 5G 13A 18P
Pastrnak 8G 9A 17 P
Marchand 9G 9A 18 P
Coyle 8G 5A 13P

Bergeron has basically become a power play specialist for the last few playoff series

really concerned about him he has not looked good against Carolina at all if Mrazek didn’t forget where the net is in OT Bergeron would have pretty much given us nothing this series

I think this is pretty unfair... his linemates have good numbers and I'm sure he was instrumental in winning draws and other things that lead to those goals but just didn't get credited with an assist because a defender factored in from time to time. It's never been solely about the numbers with Bergeron. He's still fantastic defensively, in the dot and allowing his linemates to run a muck. With that being said he hasn't looked great this series for sure and I'm assuming he's banged up a bit.