Player Discussion Patrice Bergeron III

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    I wanted to throw up. I hated that little pos.
     
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    I didn't know that hooking, holding and interfering for an entire game was all that you needed to do to get a Selke nomination......

    With today's rules, there's no WAY that guy could have survived in this league.
     
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    Just a mini-analysis of how he scored his goals in his 20-year old season vs. how he scored his goals in his 32-34 year old seasons:

    Not based on shot charts but eye-test (separated one-timers from slap shots):

    Age20 years old32-34 years old
    Non-EN Goals3181 (12 EN)
    STRENGTH - ES58.10%55.60%
    STRENGTH - PP38.70%37%
    STRENGTH - SH3.20%7.40%
    TYPE - Backhand9.70%7.40%
    TYPE - Deflection6.50%14.80%
    TYPE - Deke19.40%3.70%
    TYPE - One-Timer25.80%29.60%
    TYPE - Slap9.70%0%
    TYPE - Snap12.90%14.80%
    TYPE - Wrist16.10%28.40%
    TYPE - Wraparound0%1.20%
    AREA - Crease32.30%8.60%
    AREA - Low Slot19.40%28.40%
    AREA - Middle Slot12.90%24.70%
    AREA - High Slot3.20%6.20%
    AREA - Inside of Circle16.10%17.30%
    AREA - Top of Circle3.20%9.90%
    AREA - Bottom of Circle6.50%2.50%
    AREA - Perimeter6.50%2.50%
    POSSESSION - 0 Seconds51.60%59.30%
    POSSESSION - 1 Second16.10%28.40%
    POSSESSION - 2 Seconds12.90%7.40%
    POSSESSION - 3-4 Seconds3.20%3.70%
    POSSESSION - 5+ Seconds16.10%1.20%
    Average ToP Before Shot1.5 Seconds0.7 Seconds


    Selection of plays where he generated goals from his skating early in his career (included some assists):



    Selection of quick shots from finding open space in the last 3 seasons:

     
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    ^ I remember the dekes but I don't remember Bergeron skating like that. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    I still think Bergy skates really well, but I've always thought the Jones hit really changed some things with what his ceiling could have been. Obviously not a shocker considering how horrible the concussion was. That hit doesn't happen, injuries aside I think he'd have 100-200 more points
     
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    He definitely was a more smooth skater as a 20 year old but he was still scoring off the rush in 2013/14 and 2015/16 when he scored 30. I don't have it broken down like above, but these are the raw totals:

    StrengthTypeLocationContextSeconds of Possession
    ESWristInside CircleCycle down low with possession8
    ESWrist/ReboundCreaseRush from own blueline7
    SHDeke/WristSlotRush from blueline7
    PPWristInside CircleGive and go from own blueline6
    PPWristOutside CircleRush from center5
    ESDekeCreaseGive and Go5
    ESOne-TimerLow SlotGive and Go4
    ESOne-TimerCreaseGive and go4
    ESWristOutside CircleCycle, down low work4
    ESBackhandLow SlotBreakaway from blueline4
    ESDekeCreasePass to slot, deke3
    ESDekeCreaseGive and Go3
    ESWristInside CircleForecheck, carry3
    ESReboundCreasePass to slot, shot, rebound2
    PPDekeCreasePass to slot2
    PPOne-Timer/ReboundInside CirclePass to slot2
    ESDekeCreasePass to slot2
    ESDekeLow SlotPass to slot2
    ESWristInside CirclePass2
    ESDeke/WraparoundCreaseLoose Puck2
    ESDekeCreaseForecheck, loose puck, deke2
    PPReboundInside CircleWorkaround on PP, Rebound1
    ESWristBluelineShot through screen1
    SHWristSlotPass1
    ESSnapLow SlotPass1
    ENSnapCreasePass1
    ENWristCreasePass1
    PPWristLow SlotLoose Puck1
    PPSnapLow SlotLoose Puck1
    ESWristOutside CircleLoose Puck1
    ESReboundCreaseLoose Puck1
    ESWraparoundCreaseLoose Puck1
    ENWristBottom of CircleForecheck1
    ESWristInside Circle2-on-1 pass1
    PPOne-TimerLow SlotWorkaround on PP0
    PPDeflectionSlotShot for tip0
    PPDeflectionSlotShot for Tip0
    PPDeflectionSlotShot for tip0
    ESDeflectionInside CircleShot for tip0
    ESDeflectionLow SlotShot for tip0
    ESDeflectionInside CircleShot for tip0
    ESDeflectionLow SlotShot for tip0
    PPBat/ReboundCreaseShot for rebound0
    PPOne-TimerHigh SlotPass0
    PPOne-TimerSlotPass0
    PPOne-TimerInside CirclePass0
    PPOne-TimerSlotPass0
    PPOne-TimerTop of CirclePass0
    PPOne-TimerHigh SlotPass0
    ESOne-TimerInside CirclePass0
    ESOne-TimerSlotPass0
    ESOne-TimerBottom of CirclePass0
    ESOne-TimerHigh SlotPass0
    ESOne-TimerTop of CirclePass0
    ESOne-TimerLow SlotPass0
    ESOne-TimerLow SlotPass0
    ESSnapLow SlotLoose Puck0
    ESSlapSlotLoose Puck0
    ESSnapTop of CircleLoose Puck0
    ESBatLow SlotLoose Puck0
    ESReboundBottom of CircleCycle/Pass0
    ESReboundCreaseCollect rebound0
     
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    This was his age 30 season? Clearly he's changing his game to still be effective. I'm all for it. He doesn't seem to be slowing down to me.
     
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    That was when he was 28 and 30, those two 30-goal seasons. I just looked at all seasons that he scored 30 goals as they were all between 30-32 goals.
     
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    He's tied for the 5th most playoff OT goals of all time now:

    PlacePlayerOT GoalsPlayoff Games
    1Joe Sakic8172
    2Maurice Richard6132
    T-3Glenn Anderson5225
    T-3Patrick Kane5132
    T-5Nicklas Backstrom4126
    T-5Patrice Bergeron4140
    T-5Wayne Gretzky4208
    T-5Dale Hunter4186
    T-5Jaromir Jagr4208
    T-5Jamie Langenbrunner4146
    T-5Patrick Marleau4195
    T-5Kirk Muller4127
    T-5Joe Murphy4120
    T-5Bobby Nystrom4157
    T-5Corey Perry4122
    T-5Stephane Richer4134
    T-5Jeremy Roenick4154
    T-5Martin St. Louis4107
    T-5Esa Tikkanen4186
     
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    Wow, Kane has played a truckload of playoff games
     
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    Lol whoops, that should be switched with Anderson, good catch
     
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    Lol I didn't think he had played that many more than Bergeron, both made the final three times
     
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    In his last 35 playoff games At Even Strength

    Bergeron 3G 6A 9P


    his game logs post round 1 vs Toronto where he and the 1st line went nuts And had a combined 30 points in the series with a lot of that coming 5on5....since that series in 2018 I haven’t noticed him much besides for the PP in the playoffs

    Other guys during that time frame

    DeBrusk 7G 4A 11P
    Krejci 5G 13A 18P
    Pastrnak 8G 9A 17 P
    Marchand 9G 9A 18 P
    Coyle 8G 5A 13P

    Bergeron has basically become a power play specialist for the last few playoff series

    really concerned about him he has not looked good against Carolina at all if Mrazek didn’t forget where the net is in OT Bergeron would have pretty much given us nothing this series
     
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    OT goal kinda important tho
     
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    I’d be hard pressed to call one of the best defensive forwards of all time a power play specialist
     
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    Kind of a strange way to approach an analysis. "Let's take that series where he was really good and toss it out, then measure from there."
     
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    Good grief. :huh:
     
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    Something up with him? Staal has pretty much shut him down.
     
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    Definitely hasn't looked like Bergy these playoffs, luckily he can still play rock solid defense and contribute when he isn't rolling offensively.
     
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    There must be a flaming hot take in here that I'm not seeing lol.

    He has a 2OT goal. That's pretty big.

    Do I wish he had more goals? Sure, why not.

    It's Bergeron, I'm not worried about his production.
     
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    Everything is up to speed with him but his hands. I wonder if it's a mix of rust and ice conditions for him that he's struggling with. He's still dominating possession when he's on and controlling the game, but he's shanking a LOT of shots. 25 of his 47 shot attempts are on net, and only 5 of those were blocked. So of overall shot attempts these 7 games, 2.1% have gone in, 53.2% are on net, 10.6% are blocked, and 36.2% miss the net. In the regular season, 9.5% of his shot attempts went in, 62.3% were on net, 17.8% were blocked, and 19.9% missed the net.

    You could see it at the end of the 2nd, you could tell he was just trying to focus on getting it on net with the very little wind-up at all, the first shot attempt is maybe the least dangerous bumper one-timer you'll ever see from him:

     
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    hopefully his hands come in round 2. because marshy has been puttimg them on a plate for him.
     
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    If ice conditions are playing a role that should improve. If Bruins advance to Round 2, they won't have to go on after another team on the same ice sheet in the same day, and there will be way more time for ice maintenance. Past that, Edmonton's ice conditions clearly look better than Toronto.
     
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    Bergeron is literally a god to me. Favourite athlete of all time (which is saying something trust me). I don't think it's unfair to be a little concerned with him. I've watched almost every minute of this man's career as I'm sure others on here have to. Last nights game was not good by his standards. He is still doing his thing in terms of being responsible and always seems in position, but he is losing puck battles, shanking shots, some being high caliber scoring chances. Offensively he just seems off. Still comes up big when we need him most (2ot gwg), but I'm definitely a little concerned. He was on pace in regular season to put up the most goals in a season in his hall of fame career so I don't think from March to August he just lost his scoring touch... seems to concentrate so hard on D in playoffs that maybe the O takes a back seat. Not sure, just want him back to himself.
     
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    I think this is pretty unfair... his linemates have good numbers and I'm sure he was instrumental in winning draws and other things that lead to those goals but just didn't get credited with an assist because a defender factored in from time to time. It's never been solely about the numbers with Bergeron. He's still fantastic defensively, in the dot and allowing his linemates to run a muck. With that being said he hasn't looked great this series for sure and I'm assuming he's banged up a bit.
     
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