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[Tweaky]

The UFA clock is rolling at 20 regardless. Zadorov's started last year so his UFA will be at 26 and Bigras' at 27.

CBA says nothing about age limits for the 40 games to count as an Accrued Season. That idea comes from the fact that at 27, a player is eligible for UFA regardless of seasons played. But if a player accrues one or more seasons prior to turning 20, then they can have seasons that do not count later in their career. It is not a "start the clock and it runs" type of deal like the ELC with regard to slides.

At least, this is my reading of it. I cannot find any definitive ruling or precedent on it...but I haven't looked that hard . But I would imagine it is pretty rare for a player to be called up for 40+ games in a 18yo or 19yo season, and then not hit that number in a 20+ year.

 

[tigervixxxen]

It's like Grigo, once the clock starts it doesn't matter what happens in subsequent seasons.

 

[cgf]

It's like Grigo, once the clock starts it doesn't matter what happens in subsequent seasons.

That's how it's been explained to me as well. Once Zads' started the UFA count, it stopped mattering whether he was playing in NHL or AHL games; they all qualify as professional games for accruing a season towards UFA.

 

[Tweaky]

The ELC starts and does not stop. The UFA is a count of seasons.

That is one of the theories for some of the tension concerning Drouin...TB sent him down at 38 games so the season wouldn't count towards UFA, JD was not happy that his UFA year was getting kicked back another year...he would now be hitting UFA 2 years behind the other 5 top6 (and 7 top10) picks in his draft, and a year behind Nurse and Horvat of the top 10.

Check the "Tolling Drouin" thread in the Business of Hockey forum. http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2041363 They touch on it there.

 

[Tweaky]

CBA:

Article 1: Definitions
"Accrued Season" means any League Year during which a Player was on a
Club's Active Roster for 40 (30 if the Player is a goalie) or more Regular Season Games,
provided that, for the purposes of calculating an Accrued Season under this Agreement, games
missed due to a hockey-related injury incurred while on a Club's Active Roster shall count as
games played for purposes of calculating an Accrued Season but only during the League Year in
which the injury was incurred and a maximum of one additional season.


Article 10.1 Unrestricted Free Agents.
(a) Group 3 Players and Free Agents.
(i) Any Player who either has seven (7) Accrued Seasons or is 27 years of age
or older as of June 30 of the end of a League Year, shall, if his most recent
SPC has expired, with such expiry occurring either as of June 30 of such
League Year or June 30 of any prior League Year, become an Unrestricted
Free Agent. Such Player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an
SPC with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and
sign an SPC with such Player, without penalty or restriction, or being
subject to any Right of First Refusal, Draft Choice Compensation or any
other compensation or equalization obligation of any kind.


Article 16.4 Active Roster Size; Playing Roster.
(a) There shall be a maximum of twenty-three (23) Players on each Club's Active
Roster at any one time, provided, however, that, on the date of each season's Trade Deadline, a
Club's Active Roster may be increased to any number of Players the Club, in its discretion, so
determines, subject to Article 50.

Article 50 has to do with Salary cap stuff.

 

[cgf]

The ELC starts and does not stop. The UFA is a count of seasons.

That is one of the theories for some of the tension concerning Drouin...TB sent him down at 38 games so the season wouldn't count towards UFA, JD was not happy that his UFA year was getting kicked back another year...he would now be hitting UFA 2 years behind the other 5 top6 (and 7 top10) picks in his draft, and a year behind Nurse and Horvat of the top 10.

Check the "Tolling Drouin" thread in the Business of Hockey forum. http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2041363 They touch on it there.

Isn't Drouin's contract only at risk of being toiled because he isn't on either the NHL or AHL roster for these games he's sitting out? My understanding is that the kid should be able to clock another season towards UFA even if he's playing in the AHL, as long as he reports and is taken off suspension by the team.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Isn't Drouin's contract only at risk of being toiled because he isn't on either the NHL or AHL roster for these games he's sitting out? My understanding is that the kid should be able to clock another season towards UFA even if he's playing in the AHL, as long as he reports and is taken off suspension by the team.

no, tolling contract would add an extra year of ELC.

suspension has nothing to do re: extra UFA year, other than in this case preventing him to be on NHL roster for 40 games.

that's why tampa didn't call him up after the public trade request had come out and kept him in the AHL. they maintained more leverage. or at least they thought so as that seemed to piss off drouin even more and make him quit with tampa for good.

 

[tigervixxxen]

He's 20 years old, he can accrue a season in the AHL.

 

[InjuredChoker]

He's 20 years old, he can accrue a season in the AHL.

age is not relevant for accrued seasons.

counts for ELC, not accrued seasons towards UFA.

 

[tigervixxxen]

age is not relevant for accrued seasons.

counts for ELC, not accrued seasons towards UFA.

Players who are in the AHL using up their RFA years counts though, what's the distinction there then, the age of reaching 27 makes them a UFA? Being stuck in the AHL doesn't prevent someone from becoming a UFA.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Players who are in the AHL using up their RFA years counts though, what's the distinction there then, the age of reaching 27 makes them a UFA? Being stuck in the AHL doesn't prevent someone from becoming a UFA.

yes.

and in some cases, if player hasn't played certain amount of NHL games at certain age, he can come UFA sooner than 27.

 

[Foppa2118]

no, tolling contract would add an extra year of ELC.

suspension has nothing to do re: extra UFA year, other than in this case preventing him to be on NHL roster for 40 games.

that's why tampa didn't call him up after the public trade request had come out and kept him in the AHL. they maintained more leverage. or at least they thought so as that seemed to piss off drouin even more and make him quit with tampa for good.

Isn't Drouin's contract only at risk of being toiled because he isn't on either the NHL or AHL roster for these games he's sitting out? My understanding is that the kid should be able to clock another season towards UFA even if he's playing in the AHL, as long as he reports and is taken off suspension by the team.

Bill Daly came out recently and said TB wouldn't be allowed to toll his contract. They've done it before when teams started the season without a player like Radulov or Sobotka, but not partial seasons.

“We haven’t previously had a practice of allowing clubs to toll partial season breaches,” Daly wrote Thursday in an email. “Had this been the last season of the contract, however, we may have entertained an argument for ‎some form of remedy or relief in this situation.”

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jonathan-drouin-will-burn-year-off-entry-level-contract/

 

[Jarey Curry]

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