Post-Game Talk: Panthers 4, Devils 3 (OT) - another Florida meltdown

[Bleedred]

We can also try to bring Lars back

What is Santini's ceiling?

Larsson isn't even better than most of our defense right now. He's probably better than current Greene and he's better than Lovejoy and he's better than Santini, but that's about it.

And now that you bring up Santini, how often is Mueller a healthy scratch for Santini when he's cleared?

 

[Edmonton East]

Larsson isn't even better than most of our defense right now. He's probably better than current Greene and he's better than Lovejoy and he's better than Santini, but that's about it.

And now that you bring up Santini, how often is Mueller a healthy scratch for Santini when he's cleared?

Holy hell dude that is a ridiculous opinion

 

[Bleedred]

Holy hell dude that is a ridiculous opinion

What's ridiculous is how a small but vocal sect of this board overrates Larsson.

I don't even wanna hear Larsson is better than Severson or Vatanen and what Mueller's done this year? Is on par with what Larsson does.

Unless you think Mueller playing over Santini is ridiculous and I also call that BS.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

I almost wanna fire Kowalsky. Let it be a warning shot to Hynes, if anything. I smell a rat with this guy. I think we downgraded by going from Ward to him and I coudln't stand Ward. It was Hynes who persuaded Shero to promote this guy. I never liked him when he was a coach in the AHL. The worst thing that can happen to this team is Hynes getting fired and this guy getting promoted as interim. If I was Bettman or Daly, I would put the team under the microscope for suspected tanking if they did something like that.

I dont wanna get rid of Hynes (yet). Its not like we are in a rush. I think your route could be a good one.

 

[Cage Helmet]

Larsson is barely better than average. He’s a guy that doesn’t hurt you and he doesn’t really do much to help you, either. Mueller has played his role very well this year, albeit in a limited sample. And in two games fewer than he should have.

 

[Edmonton East]

What's ridiculous is how a small but vocal this board overrates Larsson.

I don't even wanna hear Larsson is better than Severson or Vatanen and what Mueller's done this year? Is on par with what Larsson does.

Unless you think Mueller playing over Santini is ridiculous and I also call that BS.

Nah, your bias here is ridiculous. Let's make this simple:

Vatanen #3 dman
Severson #3 or 4 dman
Mueller bottom pairing
Santini bottom pairing
Butcher bottom pairing + PP specialist

Larsson is undeniably a #3, if not a low end #2 if paired with an offensive partner. So ya, do explain how Larsson wouldn't even be in the top half of dmen on this roster. Such an absurd statement.

 

[Cage Helmet]

We can also try to bring Lars back

What is Santini's ceiling?

Andy Greene for Adam Larsson straight up. Anything more is not worth it. I think Santini’s ceiling is a bottom pairing D. I’m not sure he has a long term future in the league. If he does then it will be as a bottom line D. It’s possible he could be a top4 guy. Just not a very good top4 guy.

 

[Cage Helmet]

Nah, your bias here is ridiculous. Let's make this simple:

Vatanen #3 dman
Severson #3 or 4 dman
Mueller bottom pairing
Santini bottom pairing
Butcher bottom pairing + PP specialist

Larsson is undeniably a #3, if not a low end #2 if paired with an offensive partner. So ya, do explain how Larsson wouldn't even be in the top half of dmen on this roster. Such an absurd statement.

Larsson is not a #2 D, guy. Stop eating the jello and drinking the kool aid. Adam Larsson is the most overrated D on the NJD in the last 20 years.

 

[Edmonton East]

Anyway, back to the game tonight. That last goal was more Vatanen's fault than Bratt's.

3rd goal was obviously horrendous D by Yakovlev, so doubt we see him next game.

 

[Edmonton East]

Andy Greene for Adam Larsson straight up. Anything more is not worth it.

Lol some of you deserve the shit defense this team has, apparently.

 

[Devilsfan992]

I would love to have Larsson back on this team. Of course at the right price (Not Taylor Hall). I'm not a huge fan on +/-, but he's a career +43 and only 2 of his 7 seasons was he on a playoff team. He also has a positive GF%, while playing the toughest minutes on those same shitty teams.

 

[Bleedred]

Nah, your bias here is ridiculous. Let's make this simple:

Vatanen #3 dman
Severson #3 or 4 dman
Mueller bottom pairing
Santini bottom pairing
Butcher bottom pairing + PP specialist

Larsson is undeniably a #3, if not a low end #2 if paired with an offensive partner. So ya, do explain how Larsson wouldn't even be in the top half of dmen on this roster. Such an absurd statement.

Alright back it up here.

I never mentioned Butcher over Larsson, so forget him. I never mentioned Santini over Larsson. I didn't count Santini because he's hasn't really played this year. Just as I didn't count Gryba or Yakovlev, as they haven't even been on the roster full time this year. I would not say Santini is better than Larsson, not even close. But I think Santini isn't very good and I know you don't feel that way, so you're gonna probably hate the rest of my post and be really disgusted by the ridiculousness of it. As I think you may have been one of the strange weirdos that thought Santini was better than Severson last year, if I'm not mistaken.

Vatanen is better than Larsson. I don't care how many shots Larsson blocks or how good he is in the D-zone.

Severson is better than Larsson, even if he loses his man sometimes. Any other mistakes he makes is because well, he has the puck a lot more than Adam Larsson does, who is almost allergic to the puck.

Mueller? Alright, we don't know enough about him yet. He's certainly been at least as good as Larsson's best this year, but it is only 20 games, so it's still up for debate.

 

[Devils Dominion]

I would love to have Larsson back on this team. Of course at the right price (Not Taylor Hall). I'm not a huge fan on +/-, but he's a career +43 and only 2 of his 7 seasons was he on a team which made the playoffs. He also has a positive GF% while playing tough minutes on those same ****ty teams.

Would you trade Mueller and Davies for him?

 

[Bleedred]

Lol some of you deserve the **** defense this team has, apparently.

And then there's some that deserve a defense half made up of Santini's and Volchenkov's and Sbisa's and Orpik's and grenade handlers that can't get out of their own end and have no use but to block shots and try and clear the crease and think it's okay to stay parked in the D-zone and set up office there as long as you don't lose positioning and play your man! As much as I'd love to be a teenager again, I'm very glad it's no longer 1993 and these types are leaving the game.

Now, Adam Larsson is better than ALL of those guys, but he's not as good as you seem to think he is.

 

[Devilsfan992]

Would you trade Mueller and Davies for him?

I honestly don't know too much about Davies to give an honest answer, but I would absolutely trade Mueller for him.

 

[Bleedred]

Would you trade Mueller and Davies for him?

Probably not.

Mueller is 3 years younger and cost controlled for longer. I would trade Greene and maybe Davies for him, but they wouldn't do that deal.

Larsson has a cap hit of $4+ million and is signed for 2 more years after this and will likely get another raise when that deal expires, in which he'll be 28, almost 29 years old when that season and deal starts.

It's a fair deal, don't get me wrong. It doesn't sound like a bad deal. Larsson is probably better than Mueller right now, but I think Mueller may or may not be better down the road and he has 3 years and some cheaper ones (now) on his side.

 

[Bleedred]

Does Larsson make us better than Mueller right now, assuming Mueller plays to this level all season? I don't think so and if he does, how many more points is it worth? How many more goals is it gonna save? Will it make Cory remember how to play goalie again and bring him back from the dead? It is gonna turn Keith into a superstar?

It's a fair deal, it is. I just don't know if it makes us better.

Let's also not forget this aspect. Larsson is VERY SLOW. Not like Boyle slow or Zajac slow or Andy Greene slow or even Lovejoy, but adding Larsson to Greene and Lovejoy on D, that's gonna be a slow unit right there. Half the defense can't skate at that point.

Although this year we don't really look fast. Miles Wood doesn't even look fast right now.

 

[kiwidevil]

You know a coach is getting edgy when he starts questioning the refs after a loss and recent record like this.
In a normal situation he would point to the blown leads and his team inability to execute in OT.

I wonder if the owners are unhappy with Ray as well. I assume attendance isn't exactly popping with the product on the ice, and they will have some big contracts to pay shortly(hopefully).

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I dont get the mindset of 'this team is as bad as their record' when it's relatively obvious that a lack of effort exists during times in the game more often than not.

This didnt exist last year - they were the hardest working team almost every night. This year? Not so much

Thats a coaching problem - either his system requires too much or he isn't getting these guys at their peak level anymore.

 

[Bleedred]

I think I have to slash Keith on the first goal. It wasn't terrible, it was a 5 on 3, but I think it was the only goal he had a bit of a chance on tonight. It ticked his glove and went in. It was a one timer, it wasn't terrible. I think he had no chance on the actual OT winner, but the first one that they thought was the OT winner was pretty bad, because it went right through his arm and it hit the post. But 1 out of 4 isn't bad, considering that the average goalie, I'm finding allows a stoppable goal this year at least 25%. I think out of all the starters this year, only Rinne, Crawford, Gibson and maybe a few others have a lower percentage than that. Lundqvist may even be one of the others.

 

[MadDevil]

Larsson isn't even better than most of our defense right now. He's probably better than current Greene and he's better than Lovejoy and he's better than Santini, but that's about it.

And now that you bring up Santini, how often is Mueller a healthy scratch for Santini when he's cleared?

Probably not that often since our coaching staff is obsessed with handedness. Hopefully they'll end the Yak experiment and Mueller gets back in as a regular. It's pretty stupid that he's sat the last two games.

 

[Bleedred]

I have to vent on this to blow off some steam.

In doing my goal review, I had to relive this game in 4.5 minutes and I am so glad that I don't get forced to watch the Panthers feed this year and I'm really annoyed that I even had to see some of it. If we had won, they would have shown our feed in the highlight video, as they show they winning team's feed.

Goldstein was f***in brutal on both the game tying goal call AND the shot in OT where they originally thought it was in.

He sounded weird and perverted on the tying goal and did his obnoxious '''HHOOOOOOO BEEEE DOOOOO BEEEE DOOOOOOOOO'' f***in bush league central. Then on the not OT winner, he's saying ''Let's! Go! Home!'' and it turns out the puck wasn't even in.

This is the worst play by play announcer in the NHL. I always had him as third worst behind Steggy and the Colorado guy, but Steggy retired and I don't think the Colorado guy is doing games this year. Maybe he either moved to radio or he retired also or just left. So now Goldstein takes over the worst.

 

[Bleedred]

Probably not that often since our coaching staff is obsessed with handedness. Hopefully they'll end the Yak experiment and Mueller gets back in as a regular. It's pretty stupid that he's sat the last two games.

Look, I don't think Yak is that bad, but if he's gonna keep us from playing Mueller, get him outta there. He's kind like Auvitu honestly.

And I don't want Santini playing over Mueller either. I'm afraid that'll be the next thing.

If I'm Shero, I'm walking up to Hynes and pulling him by the tie if he f***in scratches Mueller for Santini next and does to Mueller what they did to Santini last year. It was deserved with Santini as he was in over his head, but not with Mueller.

And remember, Santini was inherited from the old regime. Mueller is a guy Shero paid a 2nd round pick for about 1.5 years ago. He spent a lot of last year injured and some time as a healthy scratch.

He shouldn't be a healthy scratch this year.

Hynes continuing to keep him a healthy scratch this game really shows me he thinks last game was more about poor goaltending than poor defense, but Mueller shouldn't have been scratched in the first place.

 

[Bleedred]

I think I have to slash Keith on the first goal. It wasn't terrible, it was a 5 on 3, but I think it was the only goal he had a bit of a chance on tonight. It ticked his glove and went in. It was a one timer, it wasn't terrible. I think he had no chance on the actual OT winner, but the first one that they thought was the OT winner was pretty bad, because it went right through his arm and it hit the post. But 1 out of 4 isn't bad, considering that the average goalie, I'm finding allows a stoppable goal this year at least 25%. I think out of all the starters this year, only Rinne, Crawford, Gibson and maybe a few others have a lower percentage than that. Lundqvist may even be one of the others.

I take it back. I can't call that goal stoppable. It hit his glove, but it's not like it was in it. It was a one timer also, not a clean and simple wrist shot. If it was a wrister that wasn't one timed, I would have nailed him, but there's probably a pretty good chance he stops it if it was a wrister. I already have him down for 12 this year, which isn't bad. It's probably about average for a starter on this list, maybe a little higher/a little lower.

 

[OmNomNom]

I almost wanna fire Kowalsky. Let it be a warning shot to Hynes, if anything. I smell a rat with this guy. I think we downgraded by going from Ward to him and I coudln't stand Ward. It was Hynes who persuaded Shero to promote this guy. I never liked him when he was a coach in the AHL. The worst thing that can happen to this team is Hynes getting fired and this guy getting promoted as interim. If I was Bettman or Daly, I would put the team under the microscope for suspected tanking if they did something like that.

Fall guy should be nasreddine. D structure is non existent. Also, Nas literally got this job bc of hynes. Kowalsky paid his dues in the A, and earned the promo. Get rid of the guy who represents a part of hynes identity as a warning if anything