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so 5-on-5 team is the only way to judge good hockey clubs?Special teams are unreliable. If you rely on special teams you aren't a good team. Full stop
so 5-on-5 team is the only way to judge good hockey clubs?Special teams are unreliable. If you rely on special teams you aren't a good team. Full stop
so 5-on-5 team is the only way to judge good hockey clubs?
If you are an average 5v5 team with good special teams, great. If you are a shit 5v5 with great special teams, that ain't good. You are a bad team masquerading as a good team.so 5-on-5 team is the only way to judge good hockey clubs?
I believe way back in the early 2000's when New Jersey won the cup that they had the worst power play in the NHL.
Power play is important during the season and during the playoffs 5 on 5 becomes more important.
So probably gonna guess you’re not gonna watch anymore then?If you are an average 5v5 team with good special teams, great. If you are a shit 5v5 with great special teams, that ain't good. You are a bad team masquerading as a good team.
That actually isn't true, it's a widely held misconception that penalties are called a lot less in that playoffs. Gregor did an article on it a little bit ago. Pretty much the same number of penalties get called, at least from the numbers he posted in his article.
I was just wondering how much better we were this year outside of special teams
Last Year vs This Year
CF%: 47.98 / 47.87
Shots For%: 47.59 / 48.31
Goals for60: 2.17 / 2.44
Goals Against 60: 2.65 / 2.72
So possession wise we didn't improve. We improved a bit offensively. But somehow got worse defensively.
Holland improved the team but the only real improvement was special teams.
Probably the same thing that happened to mj.On a side note, does anyone know what happened to Nurse's face? He's got these weird blothes or marks on his face and it looked like he lost all his hair (maybe shaved it but I wouldn't be surprised if it was related to the marks on his face).
Probably the same thing that happened to mj.
I'm not saying he has done a bad job. Just saying that the team is only a little improved this year is all. Lucic going was great. The Pulju situation appears better but that's still up in the air. I've liked what he has done so far, but he still has a long way to go.There is a lot more to being a good GM than "year 1 results". How you handle the cap. How you develop players. The trades you make, and don't make. Etc etc.
If you can't see the lucic trade as a win, I don't know what to tell you. Same goes for the pulj situation. Same goes for keeping his powder dry and not signing anybody to crazy long term deals last summer in a desperate move to fix our winger situation. Leaving bouchard in the ahl, pushing broberg back to Sweden this year. All of these are good things that the GM can do, and none of them will be reflected in those year 1 stats you looked at.
We can only hope.So probably gonna guess you’re not gonna watch anymore then?
I should probably make a Jackets-Leafs GDT lol@Apocalyptic Mist is banned from making GDTs after today.
this was the epitome of the 2013-14 Patrick Roy coached avalanche team who won the division with 114 pts. they were a team BRUTALLY underwater 5v5 and were routinely outshot.If you are an average 5v5 team with good special teams, great. If you are a shit 5v5 with great special teams, that ain't good. You are a bad team masquerading as a good team.
Since the 2011-2012 season the team with the best PP in the league has won a total of 4 rounds and none of them has won more than a series.That actually isn't true, it's a widely held misconception that penalties are called a lot less in that playoffs. Gregor did an article on it a little bit ago. Pretty much the same number of penalties get called, at least from the numbers he posted in his article.
2.17 to 2.44 is a decent improvement.I was just wondering how much better we were this year outside of special teams
Last Year vs This Year
CF%: 47.98 / 47.87
Shots For%: 47.59 / 48.31
Goals for60: 2.17 / 2.44
Goals Against 60: 2.65 / 2.72
So possession wise we didn't improve. We improved a bit offensively. But somehow got worse defensively.
Holland improved the team but the only real improvement was special teams.
Right, the oilers should stop trying to score on the powerplay so much.Since the 2011-2012 season the team with the best PP in the league has won a total of 4 rounds and none of them has won more than a series.
We got a bit better offensively and did get worse defensively. Sorry I didn't throw the word "bit" before worse oh mighty master. Offensively we went like 24th in the league to I think like...17th and defensively went like 23rd to 27th.2.17 to 2.44 is a decent improvement.
You some how say we improved a bit offensively, while pointing out how we got worse defensively, I dont know if you understand but 2.65 is alot closer to 2.72 than the offensive numbers were.
On a side note, does anyone know what happened to Nurse's face? He's got these weird blothes or marks on his face and it looked like he lost all his hair (maybe shaved it but I wouldn't be surprised if it was related to the marks on his face). Or maybe it's not new but I just kinda noticed recently?
So you're saying they still improved 5on5 this year?We got a bit better offensively and did get worse defensively. Sorry I didn't throw the word "bit" before worse oh mighty master. Offensively we went like 24th in the league to I think like...17th and defensively went like 23rd to 27th.
So we went bottom 10 offensively to middle 10 and then stayed bottom 10 defensively.
this was the epitome of the 2013-14 Patrick Roy coached avalanche team who won the division with 114 pts. they were a team BRUTALLY underwater 5v5 and were routinely outshot.
first place division team with a 110+ pt season and still had a collective CF% of 46 and giving up the sixth most shots against in the league
carried by a near 20% power play and .927 sv pct season from varlamov
they were knocked out in the first round
Don't try to put words in my mouth, Al. The point is, special teams is all great but if you are bad 5v5 your special teams don't really mean much for a teams success outside of maybe the regular season.Right, the oilers should stop trying to score on the powerplay so much.
I believe way back in the early 2000's when New Jersey won the cup that they had the worst power play in the NHL.
Power play is important during the season and during the playoffs 5 on 5 becomes more important.