Proposal: Pageau and Duclair to the Oilers

[Seachd]

Regarding Russell, you have been trying to justify somebody taking him for three seasons now. Nobody wants him regardless of how much real money he is paid.

Just wondering how you know this? He’s been fine since he’s been in Edmonton, and certainly isn’t a cap dump. What makes you think the Oilers have tried to trade him, let alone “nobody wants him”?

Anything to back it up?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Um, this is terrible for the Oilers, to be sure. I already disagree with OP about giving up a 1st for Pageau if he re-signs. And a 1st for Duclair? On what planet? I also wouldn’t give up a 3rd for Hainsey.

If the Oilers are giving up all these picks and Puljujarvi, I’m sure they could do a lot better elsewhere.

I actually meant to do a 2nd for Duclair if he re-signs, that was a typo.

As for the rest of it...

You're not giving up a 3rd for Hainsey - you're giving up Russell + 3rd for Hainsey + (mostly) retention on Pageau. Russell isn't really a positive asset due to his NMC, and this trade might be impossible because I am not sure if he'd waive it very freely whatsoever.

re: Puljuarvi, you're essentially either trading a bad player or getting a 2nd back. Not a ton of risk there.

And, like it or not, Sens are gonna try hard and very possible get a conditional 1st. If they arent able to, thats that, but I think that's the goal and I dont think its unreasonable at all. We know the Pens made their 1st available for him a few years back and he's only improved.

 

[Seachd]

I actually meant to do a 2nd for Duclair if he re-signs, that was a typo.

As for the rest of it...

You're not giving up a 3rd for Hainsey - you're giving up Russell + 3rd for Hainsey + (mostly) retention on Pageau. Russell isn't really a positive asset due to his NMC, and this trade might be impossible because I am not sure if he'd waive it very freely whatsoever.

re: Puljuarvi, you're essentially either trading a bad player or getting a 2nd back. Not a ton of risk there.

And, like it or not, Sens are gonna try hard and very possible get a conditional 1st. If they arent able to, thats that, but I think that's the goal and I dont think its unreasonable at all. We know the Pens made their 1st available for him a few years back and he's only improved.

Puljujarvi’s a bad player if he doesn’t get 20 goals at 22? If he gets 19, the Oilers still get nothing for him?

Russell is a positive asset because of his play on the ice. One more year of that isn’t a bad thing for the Oilers. He also has very little reason to waive for Ottawa if they aren’t on his trade list.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Puljujarvi’s a bad player if he doesn’t get 20 goals at 22? If he gets 19, the Oilers still get nothing for him?

Russell is a positive asset because of his play on the ice. One more year of that isn’t a bad thing for the Oilers. He also has very little reason to waive for Ottawa if they aren’t on his trade list.

If Puljuarvi cant hit 20 goals or 40 points on Ottawa next year, yeah, he's not a good player. I'd even extend that clause to the next two years, no problem.

As for Russel, that's fine. Take him and Hainsey out. That was purely a means of cap relief.

 

[Sweoilers]

Over half in the teams in the playoffs can fit Pageau for this year according to Cap Friendly

I guess I missread Capfriendly then. That's my bad.

 

[Flyer lurker]

I might be of on this but I still think that it would make sence for both teams. Pageau will probably get a conditional 1st and the Oilers will not deal this years 1st but next year could be in play. The proposal is:
Pageau and Duclair for 2nd in 2020, conditional 2021 2nd that turns in to first if Pageau resigns, Pulju, Russell and Khaira for cap.

Far off or fairish?

You think Ottawa's cheap owner is going to add salary?

 

[Groo]

Rather go after a cheaper Renault then a overvalued rental Pageau!

 

[Sweoilers]

You think Ottawa's cheap owner is going to add salary?

To get a player with a 4mil caphit and Only pay 2.5. Yeah, I think he would think about it atleast.

 

[Flyer lurker]

To get a player with a 4mil caphit and Only pay 2.5. Yeah, I think he would think about it atleast.

So hainsey worked out so well they will add a 33 year old(next season) 6 d-man to replace Hainsey? If you want say his negative value is minimal you can make the case (I disagree) but please don't tell us he has positive value on a 4 million cap hit. There will be better d-man on the free agent market for 4m. If a 1 stone lock 1st is not in the trade you don't get both Duclair and Pageau. And ZERO SHOT you get rid of players you want off your cap and keep a 1.

 

[Seachd]

If you want say his negative value is minimal you can make the case (I disagree) but please don't tell us he has positive value on a 4 million cap hit. There will be better d-man on the free agent market for 4m.

This isn’t how you decide if a player has negative value or not. If it isn’t clear, Russell doesn’t.

 

[Flyer lurker]

This isn’t how you decide if a player has negative value or not. If it isn’t clear, Russell doesn’t.

So salary doesn't determine negative value? Um you do know hockey has a salary cap?

 

[Flyer lurker]

This isn’t how you decide if a player has negative value or not. If it isn’t clear, Russell doesn’t.

Lets use james neal as an example. He is a rosterable player and at 2m one year deal every team would take a shot on him as 3rd liner/pp specialist. At 5.75m and 3 more years contract you would have to pay at least a 1 to get off your roster.

 

[DarthProbert]

No to Duclair. Too streaky to risk assets on, or to offer a new contract to. Need to see what he could do on one team over a period of 2 or 3 years. A 3 month hot streak doesn't suddenly make him the fix for McDavid's wing they've been needing for 4 years now.

Pageau is great in theory for that 3C spot but as a rental who's going to get overpaid, I'd be leery from an Oilers POV. 2nd + another pick is as high as I'd go, and yes, I know another team will almost certainly beat that. Let them. Pageau would a fine addition, but 1 or 2 months of him isn't going to turn the Oilers around singlehandedly, so not going to mortgage the future for him. With all the holes the Oil have to fill, and what Pageau is going to get in FA, no way the Oilers can sign him.

 

[Cogburn]

Puljujarvi and a conditional 1st, for Pageau resigning, otherwise a 2nd, for Pageau.

Duclair is easily worth a second and maybe a prospect. I'd argue a third round pick or equivilant prospect.

Russell and Khaira are cap dumps. Russell would warrant another pick or asset being returned, Khaira is close to neutral in my eyes. Perhaps removing the conditon on the first would work (for Ottawa).

Sort out the year's each pick goes to Ottawa, but including the cap dumps, Puljujarvi, a first, second and third round pick, Russell and Khaira for Pageau and Duclair.

Outsider here, I'm not for or against either team, this is of course only how I see it.

 

[Steeler23]

IMO, Duclair is worth more to Ottawa than trading him for anything less than an over-payment. He's still young, like to play in Ottawa, so they have absolutely ZERO reason to trade him for a 2nd (or something like that).

Pageau will probably return a 2nd + prospect (+ maybe a conditional 3rd that turn into a 2nd if they sign him or reach WCF or a 1st if they win the SC). The fact that Dorion have said many times that he want to sign him, if he's trading him mean that he didn't accept to sign a new contract and Ottawa will lose him if they don't trade him before the deadline. I think his value will drop a bit because of that.

 

[_Del_]

Tippett hated Duclair. Doubt that changes. Pageau and Tierney seem more like Tipp players. You're also light on the return. No reason for Ottawa to do this, imo. There will be plenty of teams interested in adding a versatile C/W who can play up and down the lineup.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Ottawa can keep Duclair at this point. I want no part of paying him the $5 million he’s likely looking for after a hot mid Dec scoring streak.

I’d gladly do a 2nd + prospect on Pageau though

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Ottawa can keep Duclair at this point. I want no part of paying him the $5 million he’s likely looking for after a hot mid Dec scoring streak.

I’d gladly do a 2nd + prospect on Pageau though

Sure, Puljujärvi?

 

[McSuper]

I might be of on this but I still think that it would make sence for both teams. Pageau will probably get a conditional 1st and the Oilers will not deal this years 1st but next year could be in play. The proposal is:
Pageau and Duclair for 2nd in 2020, conditional 2021 2nd that turns in to first if Pageau resigns, Pulju, Russell and Khaira for cap.

Far off or fairish?

Ottawa laughs and reminds people don’t drink and post as you get confused and think it is April’s fools day .

 

[TFHockey]

Sure, Puljujärvi?

Edmonton probably shouldn't be targeting pending UFAs, at least this year they shouldn't.

 

[elitepete]

Not really. If Pageau re-signs, a 1st + 2nd + Pulju is a solid return. I highly doubt Pageau will return a 1st by himself.

I wouldn't pay that price from the Oilers POV.

You realize Duclair is in the trade too right?

 

[LTIR]

Um, this is terrible for the Oilers, to be sure. I already disagree with OP about giving up a 1st for Pageau if he re-signs. And a 1st for Duclair? On what planet? I also wouldn’t give up a 3rd for Hainsey.

If the Oilers are giving up all these picks and Puljujarvi, I’m sure they could do a lot better elsewhere.

Where is the 1st for Duclair in that proposal?

This is an easy yes for Oilers especially if they walk away from Pageau.

Pageau+Duclair
For
Khaira+Russell+ Pulju + non first picks is a easy yes.

Don't know much about Hainsey but whatever

 

[Fourier]

If Puljuarvi cant hit 20 goals or 40 points on Ottawa next year, yeah, he's not a good player. I'd even extend that clause to the next two years, no problem.

As for Russel, that's fine. Take him and Hainsey out. That was purely a means of cap relief.

Over the last three years there have been 336 20 goal seasons that's an average of less than 4 per team. It would seem that you don't think there are many good players in the NHL.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Over the last three years there have been 336 20 goal seasons that's an average of less than 4 per team. It would seem that you don't think there are many good players in the NHL.

Tyler Ennis, Connor Brown, Anthony Duclair, JG Pageau and Chris Tierney will all hit 20 goals or 40 points on the Sens this year (amongst other players)

If an offensive player cannot hit either of those benchmarks on this team over the next 2 years, they're probably not a very good player. It was intentional hyperbole on my part, but not by much.

 

[LTIR]

Puljujarvi and a conditional 1st, for Pageau resigning, otherwise a 2nd, for Pageau.

Duclair is easily worth a second and maybe a prospect. I'd argue a third round pick or equivilant prospect.

Russell and Khaira are cap dumps. Russell would warrant another pick or asset being returned, Khaira is close to neutral in my eyes. Perhaps removing the conditon on the first would work (for Ottawa).

Sort out the year's each pick goes to Ottawa, but including the cap dumps, Puljujarvi, a first, second and third round pick, Russell and Khaira for Pageau and Duclair.

Outsider here, I'm not for or against either team, this is of course only how I see it.

Holland is not trading Pulju for a rental.. didn't do it for Hall wouldn't do it for Pageau.