Oshawa Generals 2019-20 Season Thread (Part 3)

[dirty12]

I'd think it has a lot to do with it. He's didn't get invited to WJ camp because of perceived defensive strides that need to be made in his game. That would be tenfold in the NHL, where they care about that a lot more than the Hunters do for 2 weeks (Lavoie making the team).

The # of CHL players who don't play WJ, are 20th or lower overall picks and make the NHL at 19 is a very low %.

I think the most likely scenario is he gets a handful of pre-season games, maybe 1/2 NHL games to start the season then gets sent back and plays a top 6 role on the Canada WJ team in December


I won't pretend to be a Nashville Predators fan but looking at their capfriendly, Johansen/Duchene/Forsberg/Turris/Arvidsson/Bonino are all back next year and those are their top 6 forwards and the guys who get all their PP time (as well as Grandlund, but he's a UFA)

The only way Tomasino is making the Preds is if he can step in and contribute right away, he's not someone who you'd put on your 4th line, and I can't see that happening with all the top 6 guys they have coming back. And that's not even including someone like Eeli Tolvanen/Yakov Trenin who I'm sure NSH is hoping takes that step next year

Tomasino #24 pick not getting an invite has a lot to do with #25 pick McMichael having a better 1st half to the season and at least five draft eligibles being invited. I think the only other 2001 born that made the team was #7 pick Cozens.
I won’t be surprised if McMichael sticks in the NHL next season. The way Tomasino has picked up his game of late, I won’t be shocked if he sticks.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Tomasino #24 pick not getting an invite has a lot to do with #25 pick McMichael having a better 1st half to the season and at least five draft eligibles being invited. I think the only other 2001 born that made the team was #7 pick Cozens.
I won’t be surprised if McMichael sticks in the NHL next season. The way Tomasino has picked up his game of late, I won’t be shocked if he sticks.

Pelletier, Newhook, Zary, Holloway, Krebs were all 2001 born forwards who got invited to camp

 

[EvenSteven]

The only way Tomasino is making the Preds is if he can step in and contribute right away, he's not someone who you'd put on your 4th line, and I can't see that happening with all the top 6 guys they have coming back. And that's not even including someone like Eeli Tolvanen/Yakov Trenin who I'm sure NSH is hoping takes that step next year

First off, count me as a guy who hates it when a player goes up to the NHL early. As a fan, I want to be able to “get to see” these guys at this level for as long as possible.

That being said, if playing what so far has been an insignificant role with his team in Arizona is good enough to keep Hayton in the NHL, why not the same type of role for Tomasino next year?

I do think though that if Oshawa is awarded the hosting duties, the odds go up that he’s sent back. He’d play a ton of hockey into late May and that would go a long way in his NHL team wanting him back in Oshawa.

 

[EvenSteven]

Serron Noel:
3GP - 0G-0A-0pts-7pims. Minus 1

I know it’s early, but as a Ranger fan, should we be concerned? Every other high end forward that we’re moved in deadline deals have scored multiple points by now.

 

[Generalsupdates]

First off, count me as a guy who hates it when a player goes up to the NHL early. As a fan, I want to be able to “get to see” these guys at this level for as long as possible.

That being said, if playing what so far has been an insignificant role with his team in Arizona is good enough to keep Hayton in the NHL, why not the same type of role for Tomasino next year?

I do think though that if Oshawa is awarded the hosting duties, the odds go up that he’s sent back. He’d play a ton of hockey into late May and that would go a long way in his NHL team wanting him back in Oshawa.

Hayton was a 2 way guy his entire OHL career so playing in a bottom 6 role at the next level is fine for him because his future is as a 2 way centre so a checking/defensive role is still a big strength for him. Tomasino is an offensive dynamo so for him to be playing 4th line with no PP time is wasting his development

 

[Generalsupdates]

Serron Noel:
3GP - 0G-0A-0pts-7pims. Minus 1

I know it’s early, but as a Ranger fan, should we be concerned? Every other high end forward that we’re moved in deadline deals have scored multiple points by now.

Depends who he's playing with. He needs to play with skill guys who can keep up with him

 

[Whatanathol]

Consistency always the issue with Noel. He will light it up for Kit, hopefully sooner than later. Always liked his game.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Consistency always the issue with Noel. He will light it up for Kit, hopefully sooner than later. Always liked his game.

Was nice to see him beat up Petes 1st rounder Will Cuylle in KIT's last game at least...

 

[Whatanathol]

Fight? any video of the Noel / Spit tilt?

Any time line for #15 return? Although he hasn't put up the desired points, the guy is a great leader and so strong on the PK and even strength.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Fight? any video of the Noel / Spit tilt?

Any time line for #15 return? Although he hasn't put up the desired points, the guy is a great leader and so strong on the PK and even strength.

Last Thursday I was told MacLean "would be back next week" so not sure if that means Friday or what. I feel like he very quietly is over a point per game, even with him having hit about 100 posts/crossbars this season so far

 

[veteranopinion]

Anyone else shocked at the OHL Mid Term NHL Draft Ranking's and the omission of Llyeton Moore? Don't see his name on the list. Shocking, no? He may not be lighting up the POINTS side of things, but this kid is an elite skater in the league, forward or defenceman. His hockey IQ is off the charts as well. Yeah, he's on the smaller size, but at 17, he's only going to "bulk" up the next few yrs. Torey Krug type size I'd compare too and Krug has done just fine in the Show. You would think he will/could be a top 5 defenceman in the OHL the next 2 season's if he puts it all together.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Anyone else shocked at the OHL Mid Term NHL Draft Ranking's and the omission of Llyeton Moore? Don't see his name on the list. Shocking, no? He may not be lighting up the POINTS side of things, but this kid is an elite skater in the league, forward or defenceman. His hockey IQ is off the charts as well. Yeah, he's on the smaller size, but at 17, he's only going to "bulk" up the next few yrs. Torey Krug type size I'd compare too and Krug has done just fine in the Show. You would think he will/could be a top 5 defenceman in the OHL the next 2 season's if he puts it all together.

Yep. I'm at a loss on that one. Most "experts" rankings I see have him 3rd/4th round yet he's not in the top 217 of NA skaters? With how the game is moving to skill and speed and away from "we need you to be 6'7", I don't get that omission

He's already one of the best skating Dmen in the league and has really improved in his own zone, just needs to put on some weight and get his shot better. There are a lot of guys listed on that who's he's already way better than, and his ceiling is way higher

 

[HockeyPops]

Anyone else shocked at the OHL Mid Term NHL Draft Ranking's and the omission of Llyeton Moore?

You would think he will/could be a top 5 defenceman in the OHL the next 2 season's if he puts it all together.

Problem is there are already 10-15 defensemen his age in this league that are putting it all together better than he is.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Problem is there are already 10-15 defensemen his age in this league that are putting it all together better than he is.

What does that have to do with him not being on the list? They listed 217 NA skaters. So they're saying there's about 100 Dmen in NA alone who are "putting it together better than he is". Which is categorically not true

Dylan Robinson @ 138
Ole Bjorgvik-Holm @ 140
Jake Murray @ 155
Luke Profaca @ 185

Those are insane over him

 

[NorthernVoice]

Was nice to see him beat up Petes 1st rounder Will Cuylle in KIT's last game at least...

Were they fighting over whose future NHL stock has fallen more over the past 18 months?

 

[Generalsupdates]

The draft analysis . com just released their rankings and Moore is the 6th ranked OHL Dman (2020 NHL Draft: Midseason Top 300 – The Draft Analyst)


Yet somehow NHL Central scouting has 16 OHL D ahead of him lol

 

[Generalsupdates]

Were they fighting over whose future NHL stock has fallen more over the past 18 months?

Remember when you said Cam Butler would be a 1st rounder?

 

[Nerf27]

Problem is there are already 10-15 defensemen his age in this league that are putting it all together better than he is.

So you’re now a scout in the Oshawa area and watch him play to make that judgment? Please tell us how many times you’ve watched this player

 

[NorthernVoice]

Remember when you said Cam Butler would be a 1st rounder?

Youve said that twice lately but I'm pretty sure it never happened. Link?

 

[NorthernVoice]

Were they fighting over whose future NHL stock has fallen more over the past 18 months?

Sorry, I guess this might be Moore and Cuylle

 

[Nerf27]

The draft analysis . com just released their rankings and Moore is the 6th ranked OHL Dman (2020 NHL Draft: Midseason Top 300 – The Draft Analyst)


Yet somehow NHL Central scouting has 16 OHL D ahead of him lol

Or someone who looks at his stats and says he’s not that good

 

[Generalsupdates]

Youve said that twice lately but I'm pretty sure it never happened. Link?

Went back and found it and actually you're wrong twice in the same post. You start by shitting on Gens fans for talking about the OHL insiders report that there's a 2 part trade for Tomasino and then you say Cam Butler will be a 1st rounder lol.

So to answer your first question, yes, Phil tomasino is a General

 

[HockeyPops]

What does that have to do with him not being on the list?

I was responding to the "top 5 in the league" comment more than the exclusion from the list. I agree there are a few headscratchers, although I personally like Bjorgvik-Holm's game.

 

[NorthernVoice]

Went back and found it and actually you're wrong twice in the same post. You start by ****ting on Gens fans for talking about the OHL insiders report that there's a 2 part trade for Tomasino and then you say Cam Butler will be a 1st rounder lol.

So to answer your first question, yes, Phil tomasino is a General

That was in the hot takes thread lol, it was intended to be something unlikely but plausible. Hardly saying it was a high probability or expectation but take things how you will.

 

[Generalsupdates]

That was in the hot takes thread lol, it was intended to be something unlikely but plausible. Hardly saying it was a high probability or expectation but take things how you will.

Hahahah "I never said that, prove it"

*proves it*

"I didn't actually mean it"

Gotta love NorthernVoice! Don't ever change