Speculation: Oscar Klefbom to NYR

[McVespa99]

Not sure if Fourth Period is a good source? They mentioned Oilers would entertain offers for Oscar. The Oilers need wingers .

To Oilers .....Zuke and Kreider

To Rangers...Poolparty and Oscar

I believe Kreider is best player out of the 4. We try to develop Poolparty. Oilers use Zuke for the year and make a playoff push and decide if he is worth resigning. Oscar cost controlled potential top 4? Rangers sign JVR to replace Kreider.

So the Oilers trade a couple of young, cheap guys with talent for a couple of Oldish and expensive or soon to be expensive guys? How does that make any sense for the Oil?

 

[bernmeister]

Players like Mcdavid, Matthews, Laine are untouchable. Kreider is your Mcdavid? Come on man, keep it real.

Kreider, like McDavid and a few others, passes a significant eye test. He can dominate.

Guys who dominate command more than a profit incentive to make a deal.
They get an uber-premium on top of that.

No reason to move CK happy to keep him

 

[bernmeister]

Zuc should be off the table for Oil, who could use him, but NY gets FL 1st for him most likely.

EDM
wants to win now
wants cap relief
wants Oscar K at max value assuming his trade value as if not injured last year
would like to move Sekera as a cap dump if possible
needs depth at F, backup G, and RDs

what partners want
Puulj - not likely b'c of higher draft pedigree and immediate contribution

2018 1st = estimated 9OA
2019 1st - unknown

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Rangers matching the above
- can take 2019 1st instead of 2018 IF more is added for delayed gratification
- Namest. + Spooner
- DeAngelo/Pionk could be available, we are short RD, and need a profit to deplete RD

putting all those into a mix a deal may be possible, but is not blatantly obvious.

Side note:

I am pressing for NYR-CAR
Smith + Georgiev for Darling + McKeown

I bring that up to point out if that were to happen, we would be assuming our world class goalie guru coach Benoit Allaire can rehabilitate Darling, same as he did for Pavelec. However, if Sekera waives, it would be a risk that his woes are truly physical and he can heal and return to form [as opposed to got old overnight and lost it], but while lefty shot he does play either side. While not automatic, that could possibly service mutual areas of need.

Smith gets Darling to Edmonton which gets NY Sekera

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Zuc should be off the table for Oil, who could use him, but NY gets FL 1st for him most likely.

EDM
wants to win now
wants cap relief
wants Oscar K at max value assuming his trade value as if not injured last year
would like to move Sekera as a cap dump if possible
needs depth at F, backup G, and RDs

what partners want
Puulj - not likely b'c of higher draft pedigree and immediate contribution

2018 1st = estimated 9OA
2019 1st - unknown

-------------------
Rangers matching the above
- can take 2019 1st instead of 2018 IF more is added for delayed gratification
- Namest. + Spooner
- DeAngelo/Pionk could be available, we are short RD, and need a profit to deplete RD

putting all those into a mix a deal may be possible, but is not blatantly obvious.

Side note:

I am pressing for NYR-CAR
Smith + Georgiev for Darling + McKeown

I bring that up to point out if that were to happen, we would be assuming our world class goalie guru coach Benoit Allaire can rehabilitate Darling, same as he did for Pavelec. However, if Sekera waives, it would be a risk that his woes are truly physical and he can heal and return to form [as opposed to got old overnight and lost it], but while lefty shot he does play either side. While not automatic, that could possibly service mutual areas of need.

Smith gets Darling to Edmonton which gets NY Sekera

I don’t see how Darling’s fat cap hit and terrible play help Edmonton win now. If you wanted to flip Darling to us you’d need to add in a big way.

 

[slg1963]

Zuc should be off the table for Oil, who could use him, but NY gets FL 1st for him most likely.

EDM
wants to win now
wants cap relief
wants Oscar K at max value assuming his trade value as if not injured last year
would like to move Sekera as a cap dump if possible
needs depth at F, backup G, and RDs

what partners want
Puulj - not likely b'c of higher draft pedigree and immediate contribution

2018 1st = estimated 9OA
2019 1st - unknown

-------------------
Rangers matching the above
- can take 2019 1st instead of 2018 IF more is added for delayed gratification
- Namest. + Spooner
- DeAngelo/Pionk could be available, we are short RD, and need a profit to deplete RD

putting all those into a mix a deal may be possible, but is not blatantly obvious.

Side note:

I am pressing for NYR-CAR
Smith + Georgiev for Darling + McKeown

I bring that up to point out if that were to happen, we would be assuming our world class goalie guru coach Benoit Allaire can rehabilitate Darling, same as he did for Pavelec. However, if Sekera waives, it would be a risk that his woes are truly physical and he can heal and return to form [as opposed to got old overnight and lost it], but while lefty shot he does play either side. While not automatic, that could possibly service mutual areas of need.

Smith gets Darling to Edmonton which gets NY Sekera

Be a mistake to trade Georgiev , he is going to be a beast

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Zuc should be off the table for Oil, who could use him, but NY gets FL 1st for him most likely.

EDM
wants to win now
wants cap relief
wants Oscar K at max value assuming his trade value as if not injured last year
would like to move Sekera as a cap dump if possible
needs depth at F, backup G, and RDs

Two out of five right. That's not a very good grade.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Kreider, like McDavid and a few others, passes a significant eye test. He can dominate.

Guys who dominate command more than a profit incentive to make a deal.
They get an uber-premium on top of that.

No reason to move CK happy to keep him

37 point winger. 108 point Center.

Hmmm.

 

[bernmeister]

I don’t see how Darling’s fat cap hit and terrible play help Edmonton win now. If you wanted to flip Darling to us you’d need to add in a big way.

The plan would be:
a - lose Smith
b - use Benny Ally to return Darling to form
THEN flip to highest bidder.

The assumption here is there is too much $ by Oil tied up in D, and Sekera would be the larger priced guy you prefer to move.
Darling is not old/risk of physical breakdown. He just forgot how to play goal.
We are sure BA likely able to do that.
Someone else it is a crapshoot.

Sekera is partial injury recovery, if I am not mistaken, but also a ? of if he is starting to breakdown and how fast.
Also a crapshoot.

If motivated, teams can deal now, or wait until either or both of these guys have upgraded value due to demonstrating they still cut the mustard.

Although it is fair enough esp if part of a larger package, unless Oil provide incentive in a bigger deal, I would rather have a rehabbed Darling available mid season as inevitably a netminder goes down midseason, and that is likely better than Sekera, whose only real attraction is despite being lefty, he is known commodity on the right side.
NY gets more that way, but have to wait.

Felt it was 2 cents applicable to this thread and Oil looking to move $

 

[bernmeister]

Be a mistake to trade Georgiev , he is going to be a beast

No we have multiple G prospects all of whom benefit from the BA touch. We need to max that by converting those assets into assets of need.

look at more than 1 dimension.
Trading for Darling gets Smith off our hands.
We offer Canes one stop shopping, so they get a guy for net.
In exchange we get RD, which is big time need.

 

[bernmeister]

Two out of five right. That's not a very good grade.

Feel free to audit your response to qualify your comments.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Heavily favored towards the Rangers, I think.

 

[BerlinBlueShirt]

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Trading for Darling gets Smith off our hands.

Smith can be a useful middle pairing D-man when in shape and with a new coach who does not hate physical, stay at home D-man
I still did not lose my hope

 

[bernmeister]

37 point winger. 108 point Center.

Hmmm.

Nice try, but it is not a contrast of Kreider or Matthews or Eichel or other top talent to anyone else.

Kreider dominates.
Few do.
That is end of story.
Don't deny it, that's why you want him so badly.

Also, as to point totals, Kreider playing like half-ish a season from blood clot issues.

Also, NOW starting to play with Zib as RW = great dynamic pair together
now need to add a 1C.
Has previously suffered under ex coach AV.
Look at JT Miller
not best linemates, also no real chemistry cause AV did too many friggin line changes, like the effin idiot he is.
We bent over TB on McD trade so badly, we had to do Miller for Namest. as part of the package to swing it back a bit.
JT Miller is now kickin it big time w/Stamkos + co.

Same scenario applies in parallel
Kreider totals suppressed are not chiefly due to CK alone

 

[bernmeister]

Smith can be a useful middle pairing D-man when in shape and with a new coach who does not hate physical, stay at home D-man
I still did not lose my hope

Sure, that's a fallback position, but you have to hold onto Smith and HOPE he returns to form well enough and then you still have to get decent return from a taker.

This is easy peasy.
Smith and Darling are comparable $ and term.
Canes are great w/D. We are great w/G.
They rehab Smith, who they can consider for tufness if that is as mentioned, or use as 7th, or flip.
We get a G who was proven NHL calibre and can return to form and swap for assets.
Lose Smith
Lose Darling
= profit

 

[TFHockey]

Oilers need to improve on the backend and this trade does not do that.

 

[bernmeister]

Oilers need to improve on the backend and this trade does not do that.

Supply + demand
welcome to the club

everyone almost
needs cheap productive RD
and also to move too much cap in a given area

Shatty took less to come home, he stays for now

Do you want to offer overpay for NYR to sacrifice its RDs Pionk/DeAngelo?

 

[BerlinBlueShirt]

Sure, that's a fallback position, but you have to hold onto Smith and HOPE he returns to form well enough and then you still have to get decent return from a taker.

This is easy peasy.
Smith and Darling are comparable $ and term.
Canes are great w/D. We are great w/G.
They rehab Smith, who they can consider for tufness if that is as mentioned, or use as 7th, or flip.
We get a G who was proven NHL calibre and can return to form and swap for assets.
Lose Smith
Lose Darling
= profit

if Darlings plays poorly we have his contract for another 3 yrs and no chance to move him. Same for Smith, true.
But I personally see a much higher chance to get Smith back in shape and have a decent D-man that we really need.
And even if Darling plays good in his 20+ games as Lundqvists backup still noone will take him and his 4M+ caphit as he has just shown he can't handle being a starter. What do we do with him then when Shestyorkin is coming over?

 

[slg1963]

No we have multiple G prospects all of whom benefit from the BA touch. We need to max that by converting those assets into assets of need.

look at more than 1 dimension.
Trading for Darling gets Smith off our hands.
We offer Canes one stop shopping, so they get a guy for net.
In exchange we get RD, which is big time need.

Too many pieces moving Bern , why not just go after a RHD and a RH winger

 

[TFHockey]

Supply + demand
welcome to the club

everyone almost
needs cheap productive RD
and also to move too much cap in a given area

Shatty took less to come home, he stays for now

Do you want to offer overpay for NYR to sacrifice its RDs Pionk/DeAngelo?

I think you can understand why Edmonton wouldn't deal a d-man without one coming back. NYR and EDM aren't really good trading partners.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Supply + demand
welcome to the club

everyone almost
needs cheap productive RD
and also to move too much cap in a given area

Shatty took less to come home, he stays for now

Do you want to offer overpay for NYR to sacrifice its RDs Pionk/DeAngelo?

By that logic we should be able to get a mint for Matt Benning. After all if you only looked at his stats you’d have no idea how lost he looks sometimes.

And Bern, half of your deals involve the idea of NYR acquiring players for almost nothing and turning around and flipping them to someone else for a ton more than what you gave up. It doesn’t work that way.

 

[The S5]

So the Oilers trade a couple of young, cheap guys with talent for a couple of Oldish and expensive or soon to be expensive guys? How does that make any sense for the Oil?

It helps the Oil because they get the two best players in the trade. Next.

 

[Sweetpotato]

Klefbom shouldn't be going anywhere. Picks, prospects, bottom 6 or bottom pairing players and bad contracts should be moved before anyone or anything else.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Klefbom shouldn't be going anywhere. Picks, prospects, bottom 6 or bottom pairing players and bad contracts should be moved before anyone or anything else.

The problem with this, is that aside from our 1st and maybe one or two prospects (who we probably should move), we don't have any of those types of pieces with the value needed to get the pieces we need.

Still hope we don't trade Klefbom, but I can see it happening.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

It helps the Oil because they get the two best players in the trade. Next.

That’s a tired way of looking at things. Zuccarello and Kreider are good players but we’re giving up a ton, adding a lot of salary, and weakening our defence when we can’t really do that. Puljujarvi has massive upside and Zuccarello only has a year on his deal.

There are other factors at play here than just getting the best player. You wouldn’t have given up Skjei, Andersson, and your first to rent Tavares, even though he’s far and away the best player in the deal.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Feel free to audit your response to qualify your comments.

The first and the last one were right. The middle one's were not. And no, some fourth period rumor is not even close to reliable.

May as well just believe a random poster here.

OP isn't even an Oiler fan.