#OReillyWatch - Summer of 2014 - Part I

[RockLobster]

top 3 picks vs. 2nd rounder.

and track record.

I don't give a damn where he was drafted...all that means is that all those teams that picked after #3 that year missed out on him before getting back to the Avalanche in the 2nd round.

The point still stands, Landeskog's deal came after a good rookie season and an injury riddled 2nd season...why wasn't he forced into a Bridge Deal? O'Reilly had been improving his game in a multitude of facets and it led to a huge breakout year and just because one player signed a Bridge Deal doesn't mean it's the "right thing to do", if O'Reilly wanted something longer term they should have negotiated off of that and factored in the buying of UFA years as means to the raise in pay

 

[RockLobster]

The old management was bridge deal or no deal sort. They were wrong there, and should have given a better long term offer, but at that point ROR wasn't worth $5m long term. Maybe 4.5, but closer to 4. He had one good season with Landy on his wing and would be the #3C with everybody healthy. Reluctance on a long term deal I understood at that point.

3.5m bridge was a fair offer contrary to what people want to claim.

We'll never know what could have happened if they went into the 4's on any sort of deal...but they didn't and what's done is done.

 

[henchman21]

I don't give a damn where he was drafted...all that means is that all those teams that picked after #3 that year missed out on him before getting back to the Avalanche in the 2nd round.

The point still stands, Landeskog's deal came after a good rookie season and an injury riddled 2nd season...why wasn't he forced into a Bridge Deal? O'Reilly had been improving his game in a multitude of facets and it led to a huge breakout year and just because one player signed a Bridge Deal doesn't mean it's the "right thing to do", if O'Reilly wanted something longer term they should have negotiated off of that and factored in the buying of UFA years as means to the raise in pay

Different management groups and philosophies. Along with offensive production from day 1 and the salaries raise through the years.

 

[henchman21]

We'll never know what could have happened if they went into the 4's on any sort of deal...but they didn't and what's done is done.

This is true.

 

[InjuredChoker]

I don't give a damn where he was drafted...all that means is that all those teams that picked after #3 that year missed out on him before getting back to the Avalanche in the 2nd round.

The point still stands, Landeskog's deal came after a good rookie season and an injury riddled 2nd season...why wasn't he forced into a Bridge Deal? O'Reilly had been improving his game in a multitude of facets and it led to a huge breakout year and just because one player signed a Bridge Deal doesn't mean it's the "right thing to do", if O'Reilly wanted something longer term they should have negotiated off of that and factored in the buying of UFA years as means to the raise in pay

draft position still matters. get picked higher, you get more chances and leeway. and higher payroll. and landeskog was made captain too. 2nd ovr. pick, calder, team captain at that age, no way he was getting bridge deal. ROR didn't have the same resume. landeskog's second season was still better than what ROR's first two were.


phoenix is pretty happy they took OEL over him.

and i have stated in this thread (or the other ones, can't remember) already that their long-term offer was low ball offer. i wouldn't have been against long-term deal.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I bet the Lacroixes would have made Landy take a bridge deal. I missed the original point about bringing the bridge deal up. Were the Avs a bit in the wrong too back then, yeah I don't think anyone is refuting that. Sometimes a bridge deal makes sense such as in Barrie's case. Someone who is trending up but doesn't have the history. Put in a couple full years and he'll cash in. Or like Palat and Tyler Johnson. It makes sense for them to take 3 year deals after one very good year. It's not just for the team's benefit but the player's benefit too that they can build the resume to get a very nice long term contract instead of just a good long term contract right now.

Let's see how the Subban saga rides out. I bet we see a lot of parallels there to the O'Reilly saga.

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

I'm worried about Barrie's contract. I'm hoping he takes a bridge deal but you never know with newport.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

Getting the point... Don't know what you asked...

I get your point... You don't get the reality in the NHL. Bridge contracts are the lay of the land, 'right' or not. Which that is even debatable.

You are not getting anything i have said. Thats all i got to say.

 

[Avsboy]

If we lose RoR and Barrie, Mackinnon might have a breakdown. He needs hip-hop-loving buddies, he thrives on them.

 

[Avs_19]

If we lose RoR and Barrie, Mackinnon might have a breakdown. He needs hip-hop-loving buddies, he thrives on them.

I don't think he'll lose Barrie. He might lose O'Reilly and McGinn though.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I know, poor lonely Nate. Maybe seeing MacKinnon at the awards will remind O'Reilly how much fun he has with his buddy.

 

[Foppa2118]

Maybe the awards will give Roy a chance to smooth things over a bit with O'Reilly, so Newport doesn't get him all worked up over nothing like they seem to want to.

They don't have to talk numbers and probably shouldn't without his agent present, but Roy can tell him how much he wants him on the team, and that the arbitration was done because Calgary forced them into a QO that was designed to be so high they wouldn't match it.

Just sweet talk him a bit, and maybe get him to come in the office in the following days and sit down with Joe and everyone and try to work things out on a long term deal.

 

[Avs_19]

Maybe the awards will give Roy a chance to smooth things over a bit with O'Reilly, so Newport doesn't get him all worked up over nothing like they seem to want to.

They don't have to talk numbers and probably shouldn't without his agent present, but Roy can tell him how much he wants him on the team, and that the arbitration was done because Calgary forced them into a QO that was designed to be so high they wouldn't match it.

Just sweet talk him a bit, and maybe get him to come in the office in the following days and sit down with Joe and everyone and try to work things out on a long term deal.

Not going to happen, Ryan is a stubborn young man.

 

[landy92mack29]

If we lose RoR and Barrie, Mackinnon might have a breakdown. He needs hip-hop-loving buddies, he thrives on them.

on this topic does anyone know what song the avs played before the opening puck drop in the playoffs? I've tried to find it but cant

 

[OldSchoolAvalanche*]

Great plsyer, I can't blame him for getting as much as possible and the org low balling hopefully they can find middle ground. If not trade him

 

[AvsWraith]

If we had a poll of what amount/years ROR should get according to the fans, would anyone use it? Or, would it be too much with all the other ROR threads on the board?

 

[Avsboy]

If we had a poll of what amount/years ROR should get according to the fans, would anyone use it? Or, would it be too much with all the other ROR threads on the board?

I like polls in general, good to see where the fanbase is at. I wouldn't mind it.

 

[tigervixxxen]

on this topic does anyone know what song the avs played before the opening puck drop in the playoffs? I've tried to find it but cant

Was it a different song for the playoffs? I know what song it usually is.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Maybe the awards will give Roy a chance to smooth things over a bit with O'Reilly, so Newport doesn't get him all worked up over nothing like they seem to want to.

They don't have to talk numbers and probably shouldn't without his agent present, but Roy can tell him how much he wants him on the team, and that the arbitration was done because Calgary forced them into a QO that was designed to be so high they wouldn't match it.

Just sweet talk him a bit, and maybe get him to come in the office in the following days and sit down with Joe and everyone and try to work things out on a long term deal.

Maybe. I do think feelings soften when you see people face to face.

 

[RockLobster]

If we had a poll of what amount/years ROR should get according to the fans, would anyone use it? Or, would it be too much with all the other ROR threads on the board?

I'm not sure what the point would be as to many people here are believing that he'd be overpaid at $6.5M

Of course I remember a whole lot of people on this board exclaiming "Pay The Man!" during the course of the season...strange to see some of the change in stance now

 

[5280]

I'm not sure what the point would be as to many people here are believing that he'd be overpaid at $6.5M

Of course I remember a whole lot of people on this board exclaiming "Pay The Man!" during the course of the season...strange to see some of the change in stance now

Yeah, this is true, I was actually one of those people. I am just really getting sick of the whole thing. The recent interview with his agent left a really bad taste in my mouth and his father needs to shut his yapper (IMO)... the whole thing with Hishon still bugs me.

 

[Avs_19]

I'm not sure what the point would be as to many people here are believing that he'd be overpaid at $6.5M

Of course I remember a whole lot of people on this board exclaiming "Pay The Man!" during the course of the season...strange to see some of the change in stance now

"Pay The Man" still applies but you have to be reasonable. I know when I said it I was thinking a contract similar to what Duchene got. I didn't think O'Reilly's camp would start the negotiations at $6.5M/yr (if in fact that's what they're doing)

 

[RockLobster]

Yeah, this is true, I was actually one of those people. I am just really getting sick of the whole thing. The recent interview with his agent left a really bad taste in my mouth and his father needs to shut his yapper (IMO)... the whole thing with Hishon still bugs me.

But HIS agent is Mark Guy, Morris just runs the agency and is a well known "Hockey Agent".

His dad...well we can't control his father's comments any more than Stastny could control his after the EJ trade. While I don't agree with Brian O'Reilly publicly making those comments to Hishon, what I saw was someone who does genuinely care for him and believes his course of action would be the best...now Joey disagreed but it seemed as if that should have been a private conversation.

 

[Freudian]

I'm not sure what the point would be as to many people here are believing that he'd be overpaid at $6.5M

Of course I remember a whole lot of people on this board exclaiming "Pay The Man!" during the course of the season...strange to see some of the change in stance now

I don't think anyone here is unwilling to pay Ryan O'Reilly a fair salary. I don't think Avs are unwilling to pay him a fair salary. I think pretty much everyone here views the Landeskog contract as a good floor and the Duchene contract as a good ceiling.

If anyone truly meant it in a give the stubborn young man and agent a blank check kind of way, then obviously it's a change in stance. In a more reasonable direction.

 

[RockLobster]

I don't think anyone here is unwilling to pay Ryan O'Reilly a fair salary. I don't think Avs are unwilling to pay him a fair salary. I think pretty much everyone here views the Landeskog contract as a good floor and the Duchene contract as a good ceiling.

If anyone truly meant it in a give the stubborn young man and agent a blank check kind of way, then obviously it's a change in stance. In a more reasonable direction.

I am not saying that he should get a blank check.

But I've also stated that I wouldn't have any problem if he ended up with a long-term deal between 6-6.5M AAV a year, I just think that ultimately he will be worth it, he's shown how good of a player he is and how much of a warrior he is on the ice.

Mark my words, if the Avs let him go he will win a Stanley Cup and he will play a pivotal role in the winning of that Cup...so because of my belief on that I would MUCH RATHER have him on our team and playing that pivotal role on an Avalanche Cup winning team.