Value of: Olli Maatta to Toronto

[SHANNYPLAN]

What Would it Take?

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[Empoleon8771]

Gardiner.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Most Pens fans will want Nylander and that isn't happening. Considering how the season is going, I would offer up our first round pick which will likely end up 16-22

 

[Empoleon8771]

Most Pens fans will want Nylander and that isn't happening. Considering how the season is going, I would offer up our first round pick which will likely end up 16-22

And why do the Penguins trade Maatta for a mid 1st round pick in a weak 1st round?

 

[Paneerboy]

Gardiner.

A big no thank you there.

I don't see a deal materializing.

 

[m302291]

Most Pens fans will want Nylander and that isn't happening. Considering how the season is going, I would offer up our first round pick which will likely end up 16-22

We wouldn't ask for Nylander nor would we accept a first round pick.

We would need an expansion exempt defenseman who is ready to play in the NHL, and, pending on the quality and readiness of said defenseman, an additional pick/prospect.

The ask would be Zaitsev straight up but I know the answer to that so there is no deal to be made

EDIT: I just saw that Zaitzev is 25 years old and is currently playing 3rd pair. I thought he was a few years younger and playing at 3D calibre? (or maybe that was just LeafNation hype) Has something about his play changed in the past few months?

EDIT 2: I corrected myself on the second page, but I'm still getting vitriolic responses (as is HF custom) to my first edit so I'll repeat myself here. I saw that he was playing 3rd pair in the stickied lines thread. I didn't realize that the d pairings were not in order in that thread the same way the forward lines are.

 

[Hogan86]

What Would it Take?

Don't want Mattaa. The Pens will want alot more than the Leafs would want to give up. There are better D targets out there to try and trade for.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

leafs dont want maatta.....

 

[Center Ice Scrum*]

How about Maata for Matt Hunwick/ Roman Polak?

 

[Empoleon8771]

A big no thank you there.

I don't see a deal materializing.

Yeah that's basically what it's going to be from both sides. If the Penguins are trading Maatta, they need a replacement top-4 LD for him. Trading him for anything else doesn't make sense.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Most Pens fans will want Nylander and that isn't happening. Considering how the season is going, I would offer up our first round pick which will likely end up 16-22

In what world would trading Maatta for a mid-to-late first round pick help the Penguins? They're trying to win Cups now. Trading a top four blueliner for an asset that *might*, if all things pan out, eventually be a player in 4 or 5 seasons makes zero sense.

 

[Empoleon8771]

How about Maata for Connor Carrick?

So the Penguins are trading Maatta for a worse D with a lower ceiling? That seems fair

 

[Smif]

We wouldn't ask for Nylander nor would we accept a first round pick.

We would need an expansion exempt defenseman who is ready to play in the NHL, and, pending on the quality and readiness of said defenseman, an additional pick/prospect.

The ask would be Zaitsev straight up but I know the answer to that so there is no deal to be made

EDIT: I just saw that Zaitzev is 25 years old and is currently playing 3rd pair. I thought he was a few years younger and playing at 3D calibre? (or maybe that was just LeafNation hype) Has something about his play changed in the past few months?

3D pair, where'd you get that from? He's our on our top pair night in and night out...

 

[Barilko14]

We wouldn't ask for Nylander nor would we accept a first round pick.

We would need an expansion exempt defenseman who is ready to play in the NHL, and, pending on the quality and readiness of said defenseman, an additional pick/prospect.

The ask would be Zaitsev straight up but I know the answer to that so there is no deal to be made

EDIT: I just saw that Zaitzev is 25 years old and is currently playing 3rd pair. I thought he was a few years younger and playing at 3D calibre? (or maybe that was just LeafNation hype) Has something about his play changed in the past few months?

Where did you see 3rd pair? He recently passed Rielly to lead the leafs in TOI. He's actually looking better as the season goes, really starting to skate the puck up himself now, and looking to create more offence, he's approaching good No. 2 level (started as a No. 4).

 

[Walshy7]

We wouldn't ask for Nylander nor would we accept a first round pick.

We would need an expansion exempt defenseman who is ready to play in the NHL, and, pending on the quality and readiness of said defenseman, an additional pick/prospect.

The ask would be Zaitsev straight up but I know the answer to that so there is no deal to be made

EDIT: I just saw that Zaitzev is 25 years old and is currently playing 3rd pair. I thought he was a few years younger and playing at 3D calibre? (or maybe that was just LeafNation hype) Has something about his play changed in the past few months?

He plays on our top pair, with Rielly every game, now Rielly went down they split Gardiner and Zaitsev up to split the 2 only good dmen we have onto 2 different pairs. Not really sure where you got 3rd pair from at all. Also not a chance in hell I trade Zaitsev for Maata. Our 3rd pair is very obviously Hunwick and Polak

 

[Smif]

We need to find a trading partner that is looking for wingers, that's all we have available to trade.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

And why do the Penguins trade Maatta for a mid 1st round pick in a weak 1st round?

An asset is an asset, the pick could get moved afterwards for a player

 

[Walshy7]

Where did you see 3rd pair? He recently passed Rielly to lead the leafs in TOI. He's actually looking better as the season goes, really starting to skate the puck up himself now, and looking to create more offence, he's approaching good No. 2 level (started as a No. 4).

he is better than Maata simple as that, Pitts adds in a trade for Maata

 

[Empoleon8771]

An asset is an asset, the pick could get moved afterwards for a player

Yes, where they'd get a worse player than Maatta and have to inconvenience themselves to make another trade.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

We wouldn't ask for Nylander nor would we accept a first round pick.

We would need an expansion exempt defenseman who is ready to play in the NHL, and, pending on the quality and readiness of said defenseman, an additional pick/prospect.

The ask would be Zaitsev straight up but I know the answer to that so there is no deal to be made

EDIT: I just saw that Zaitzev is 25 years old and is currently playing 3rd pair. I thought he was a few years younger and playing at 3D calibre? (or maybe that was just LeafNation hype) Has something about his play changed in the past few months?

Zaitsev is not playing 3rd pair and was brought in from the KHL. He has been excellent and trading him for Matta would make us worse.

 

[Doug The Thug Glatt]

I never understand these trades where its a defenseman for a defenseman. If a team needs to trade for a D they obviously don't have one to trade back. And if they had a young D ready for the nhl why would they deal him? I mean there will be some exceptions but generally i dont see trades like that ever happening.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

An asset is an asset, the pick could get moved afterwards for a player

And now the Pens have a big gaping hole in their top four. How's that 1st round pick helping that, exactly?

I mean, do people even think about the needs of the other team when making proposals?

If there's one area the Pens could do to upgrade it's their defense. So the solution in this thread is to trade a defenseman for a draft pick?

 

[Stormcrow]

Maatta is not what the Leafs need nor can they afford him.
They need a top 4 RHD that is either 2 way or D first.
AKA. Tanev, Seabrook etc.

 

[Kamiccolo]

We wouldn't ask for Nylander nor would we accept a first round pick.

We would need an expansion exempt defenseman who is ready to play in the NHL, and, pending on the quality and readiness of said defenseman, an additional pick/prospect.

The ask would be Zaitsev straight up but I know the answer to that so there is no deal to be made

EDIT: I just saw that Zaitzev is 25 years old and is currently playing 3rd pair. I thought he was a few years younger and playing at 3D calibre? (or maybe that was just LeafNation hype) Has something about his play changed in the past few months?

Gotta love guys shooting down trades when they obviously don't watch our team. The Leafs roster is stacked with talent. Tons of pieces outside of our big three would make great additions to any teams roster.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

And now the Pens have a big gaping hole in their top four. How's that 1st round pick helping that, exactly?

I mean, do people even think about the needs of the other team when making proposals?

If there's one area the Pens could do to upgrade it's their defense. So the solution in this thread is to trade a defenseman for a draft pick?

Well I didn't start the thread, in terms of needs the Leafs and Pens make bad trading partners. Both teams have holes defensively and in terms of personnel, the blue chip players we have aren't being moved for anything but a legit top 2 defenceman. Only other trade that would make sense would be something around Connor Brown for Maata.