You'd take Hall over...
Crosby
Patrick Kane
Eric Johnson
John Tavares
Steven Stamkos
LOL okay buddy.
3/5 = 5/5
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3/5 = 5/5
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Kocur Dill
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Exactly.
We drafted Stepan in the 2nd round and he did pretty well (45pt +8) this, his rookie season, and I wouldn't put his skills on an elite level, very very good, but not elite.
RNH has arguably better raw skills and his vison/IQ will translate well to the pro game wether its in a few years or if he wow's the Edm brass in camp. And the core of wingers you guys have will only help him ease in that much faster.
You'd take Hall over...
Crosby
Patrick Kane
Eric Johnson
John Tavares
Steven Stamkos
LOL okay buddy.
Why is it so unbelievably far fetched that somebody would take Hall over Tavares, Kane and EJ? Are some of you guys for real? This place is like the Twilight Zone sometimes.
You'd take Hall over...
Crosby
Patrick Kane
Eric Johnson
John Tavares
Steven Stamkos
LOL okay buddy.
I'd already take him over two players on that list easily, very close to 3, and you never know, he just might keep chipping away, buddy.
BeastoftheEast85
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He might be faster but doesn't neither has neither the hockey IQ, nor nasty offensive upside. He might be more gritty than Kane, but doesn't have his playmaking ability and skill.
Hall did not lead the league in penalties drawn per game. Actually he didn't even lead his rookie class, Skinner did.
He did have a good rookie season, reminded me of Jason Arnott in his rookie season at Edmonton little bit from what I saw. (Hall has higher potential though)
He looks like he has an awesome future ahead of him, but hasn't shown anything that would make him better then Kane or Tavaras.
You'd take Hall over...
Crosby No
Patrick Kane Maybe
Eric Johnson Yes
John Tavares Yes
Steven Stamkos No
LOL okay buddy.
No need for help.
He has huge offensive upside, like JT, and his hockey IQ is pretty damn good as well. and he has a ton of skill, so him having slightly less skill than Kane is negligible (skill in certain areas counts for more, Hall will certainly have a better shot). And I didn't see much of Arnott in him, Hall was much more explosive than Arnott was in his rookie season. Its his intensity that looks like it will seperate him from Tavares and Kane. They are similar in skill, but Hall looks like he has the type of intangibles that makes him especially valuable. I wouldn't do Hall for Kane straight across in trade right now. And certainly not Hall for Tavares.
Beerfish
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Original poster is correct. The Oilers can still do well in the end if they hit on their other picks but no sure fire total franchise guys there for us the last two years. I wouldn't write the Oilers off for a 3rd in a row if they get a few injuries.
That doesn't make the Oilers unlucky though, like the OP was suggesting. It makes the Capitals & Pens extremely lucky for getting Ovie/Crosby. Drafting very good players, but not super-stars, with the top pick is par for the course when it comes to the NHL draft.
Not at all. Hall is/will be an all world talent.
Furthermore, while this year is most definitely not a good year to have the #1, they'll still come away with a top notch prospect.
Furthermore, while this year is most definitely not a good year to have the #1, they'll still come away with a top notch prospect.
Beukeboom Fan
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Strongly disagree. You could argue anyone but Crosby or Stamkos IMO. And as a Hawks fan, I'd trade Kane for Hall in a second.
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He said 3 of the 5 previous...but I guess some people only read what they want to.You'd take Hall over...
Crosby
Patrick Kane
Eric Johnson
John Tavares
Steven Stamkos
LOL okay buddy.
Obviously not Crosby.
He could very easily break out like Stamkos did in his 2nd season(he has the speed, and the shot). Although at this moment no way would I have TH over Stamkos.
Hall is faster, bigger and a better goal scorer than Kane, but definitely lacking Kanes vision.
Tavares and Hall are good comparables and way to early to tell who would be better. I'd toss a coin if I had to choose.
Yes, I'd easily take Hall over EJ.
Exactly. The oilers have been really lucky imo.
Hall is easily in the same realm of talent as the last few #1. I don't think any oiler fans would have been disappointed in his rookies season (despite the injury). He was great.
The reason RNH is not rated as highly as past #1's, is because he is not a surefire franchise player. He has the potential though.
So unless the op can read the future, imo this thread is like 5 years too early...
NeedMoreJam
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The oilers will probly suck next year, but likely not finish last. This is actually lucky because 2012 is stacked with elite talent. They could still get a franchise player even if they pick as worse as 4th.
SDig14
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He has similar potential because he's following an identical path to those guys. He's shown that he can dominate games at the NHL level. Are you punishing Hall and calling him a lesser talent because he hasn't had a chance to do what JT did this year? Tavares and Duchene have a full year of development on him right now, so of course they are ahead of him at the moment, but Hall is not very far behind.
I'm not one of the people saying he's an auto 100 pt player, but Tavares and Duchene haven't even put up 70 points either, so it's not like we are comparing a rookie to an established superstar.
Hall would have been at or near 30 goals if he could have finished the last 17 games this year. The guy was playing ridiculous hockey, and I don't blame you for thinking it's a lopsided battle if you have never seen him play, but for those who have seen him play 65 times last year and seeing a ton of JT I firmly believe he has as much potential as JT and Kane.
You can't punish kids just because they're young. Of course they haven't proven as much as a kid that's had 4 seasons in the NHL, but I doubt anyone would argue that Gagner has as much potential as Hall because he had more points in his draft year and has a better NHL career year. Hall just needs time to develop.
As for anyone saying he gets hit with his head down 'a lot' should probably watch him play, because it's 100% false. Over 65 games, he probably took 2-3 bigger hits all year. Everyone saw the Doughty hit and pretend that it's an occurence every game, but it's not.
SDig14
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I would. I think Hall is the better scorer and I would rather the guy that will play in the NHL at like 6'1 210 as opposed to 5'10 180. Kane is a lot more proven, sure, but the Oilers have a huge vested interest in Hall, he is the face of our franchise, and we think he has that much upside to be an equal offensive player, but more physical and better when the play gets rough.
Mcnotloilersfan
I'm here, I'm bored
And you're arguing IQ? How does he not have the hockey IQ? What are you possibly basing this on? The kid only knows hockey, and he always knows how to be effective on the ice. IMO in his prime he will score just as well as Tavares, better than Kane (in terms of goals), but he will add the speed and physicality that neither of those players have.
IMO there still is a lot to be proven, but he has the tools to join the Ovechkin/Stamkos class (I feel Crosby this season made a class of his own before his injury).
I personally don't see the point in this thread at all, the comments are clearly coming from people who didn't watch a single Taylor Hall game.
Frankly, at the end of the day, we don't care if you find it funny that we think Hall will become a better player than Tavares or Kane, we're very very very happy with the prospect we have, and we're excited that we're adding a potential elite play-making center to the mix too.
SDig14
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Can you find me these hits please? He has honestly taken about 2 really big hits all year, the Doughty hit being the worst one.
He has adjusted very nicely and isn't getting hit nearly as much as you make it seem.
Also, everyone kept saying Ovy would get hurt because of his reckless style of play, and that is one reason that Sid would have a better career, yet it's pretty clear anyone of any size and stature can get hurt, and there is nothing to suggest those players will be hurt more than others.
syz
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Hall had 38 drawn when he got hurt, Skinner 32(?). In terms of Draws/60 they were even.
Can't comment on Skinner, but there could have been at least a dozen more for Hall that the refs let go. No veteran benefits for either of them from the refs I'd bet.
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SDig14
Registered User
Pretty much this. FAAAR to early to be complaining about being unlucky. None of the posters on here know what the future holds. 5 years from now we might be comparing Kane and RNH, Hall and JT, etc. and they may all have similar season totals, or one of the 2 may be clearly better, but it's far too soon to tell.
Anyone debating the potential though needs to tune into some games.
Mcnotloilersfan
I'm here, I'm bored
Very well said. I think the difference this year, is people weren't talking about RNH for years as 'the guy' of his draft. With Tavares, Hall and Stamkos, they were #1 for years, and people were talking about that for years. Sure the media tried to make it interesting the last couple years with Hedman and Seguin, but the reality is, as great as those prospects were, there was always a clear #1.
This year there actually seems to be a clear #1 again... he just has a little more to prove (like Kane did)
