Post-Game Talk: Oilers no show in big home game, Smith outplayed by an AHL goalie

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I'm glad I missed a good chunk of this abortion. All the chronic bad habits are back after 'the bump.' Saturday home game against one of this league's worst with a guy who's only coaching experience is 14 year old kids and the Oilers come out with the second best effort on the ice.

Consider which team is FIGHTING for a playoff spot tonight. If you never had seen a hockey game before in your life it would be an easy mistake to make. The horrible own zone play is back. Lazy, second best effort on the ice. Cratered PP which is stuck in slow motion, one trick which isn't working, and over passing around the perimeter. This team is starting to slip on the banana peel again with the Canucks, the f***ing Canucks, back to within 2 points. This team now rolls into Calgary for their next game. That should fun...

As the great David Byrne sings 'same as it ever was.'

 

[foshizzle]

they've hired 2 Stanley cup winning GM's...what do you want them to do? hire nobodies?
maybe it isn't the endless carousel of GMs and coaches?

How about hire competent GMs?

 

[foshizzle]

Any GM of the oilers will have to contend with overpaying players to play in Canada and then in Edmonton. We have effectively 20% less cap space than most other teams because we have to pay more to get the same thing.

That’s why you don’t trade away value contracts like our management does. Also, this is where analytics comes into play and finding those understated players- which our managements teams don’t believe in.

 

[booyakasha]

How about hire competent GMs?

what is a competent GM though?

 

[foshizzle]

[QUOTE="Soundwave, post: 183177251, member: 50509"]They hired two guys who had 19 giant red flags attached to them in their last years of work. There's a reason every Bruins fan couldn't wait to see Chiarelli gone and Red Wings fans wanted to have a party when Holland left.

That should've been a tip off that something was very, very wrong.

There's really nothing that shocking about Chiarelli and Holland shitting the bed here, both were bad for multiple seasons in Boston and Detroit before coming here.

They both have the hardware to back up their resume(be it they failed here) ...yet, you want the team to hire someone on a hope and a prayer....because they can bullshit the loudest.[/QUOTE]

Hardware? Holland inherited a team and proceeded to add 70M to cap for the same damn team in 3 years. Once he lost his inherited gold- he sewered the team. Chia pet also inherited his team. Both these dinosaurs refuse to adapt and got burnt by younger, smarter GMs

 

[foshizzle]

what is a competent GM though?

A competent GM is one who knows how to navigate the cap system as well as adapt to what the NHL is today. Players are different. The game is different. A competent GM also gives himself every possible edge- not reject tools because he doesn’t understand them. McFarland in Colorado is a prime example. Zito is another one.

 

[booyakasha]

Hardware? Holland inherited a team and proceeded to add 70M to cap for the same damn team in 3 years. Once he lost his inherited gold- he sewered the team. Chia pet also inherited his team. Both these dinosaurs refuse to adapt and got burnt by younger, smarter GMs[/QUOTE]


so you think the Oilers should go with a younger, smarter GM, like they did with a younger, smarter coach in Dallas Eakins

 

[foshizzle]

Hardware? Holland inherited a team and proceeded to add 70M to cap for the same damn team in 3 years. Once he lost his inherited gold- he sewered the team. Chia pet also inherited his team. Both these dinosaurs refuse to adapt and got burnt by younger, smarter GMs

so you think the Oilers should go with a younger, smarter GM, like they did with a younger, smarter coach in Dallas Eakins[/QUOTE]

This is such a weak debate, and one folks like you hang your cap on. You think Eakins was a smarter coach? Really?

 

[booyakasha]

A competent GM is one who knows how to navigate the cap system as well as adapt to what the NHL is today. Players are different. The game is different. A competent GM also gives himself every possible edge- not reject tools because he doesn’t understand them. McFarland in Colorado is a prime example. Zito is another one.

nice, and they've won what exactly?

 

[foshizzle]

nice, and they've won what exactly?

You know only 1 team can win it. Okay- let’s go with your line of thinking Yzermen/Brisbois and John Cooper. Tampa has one of the largest analytics depts in the NHL. Cooper uses that data set to line match, play players in the correct positions, and correct issues. 2 Stanley cups. Now, when was the last time a GM that won pre salary cap won post salary cap?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I do agree with Hollands plan to stubbornly sewer the team with the worst goalie in the NHL. It's going to pay off eventually.

 

[booyakasha]

and...here we go!!!
I'm on my 15th beer.....can't belieeve I've lasted this long, and saw my way through this case.

 

[booyakasha]

You know only 1 team can win it. Okay- let’s go with your line of thinking Yzermen/Brisbois and John Cooper. Tampa has one of the largest analytics depts in the NHL. Cooper uses that data set to line match, play players in the correct positions, and correct issues. 2 Stanley cups. Now, when was the last time a GM that won pre salary cap won post salary cap?

gimme a sec...

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I give up, When?

 

[Roof Daddy]

I f***ing hate this team so much. I will never spend another single dollar supporting this atrocity. f*** you Darryl.

-Fin

 

[McDraekke]

Well no, lose 3. The last two to the bottom dwellers while we are in the midst of a playoff race we are currently sliding out of. But yah it's OK.

Just highlighting how this fan base bounces back and forth so quickly. Not suggesting we should be happy with what’s happening.

 

[North]

The thing that’s really galling about this team is they fall back into bad habits too easily.

We know they can be better. We’ve seen that recently but they get to a point where they want to cut corners and it doesn’t go well.

Also just please no more Smith.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I f***ing hate this team so much. I will never spend another single dollar supporting this atrocity. f*** you Darryl.

-Fin

No one cares

 

[Kaptah2]

Without Koskinen going 19-8-3, our season would already be over. Smith is 5-8-1 and Skinner 6-6-0. And Skinner has been sheltered and only faced weaker opponents.

 

[McCombo]

Smith was bad, no question. But that was just part of the problem. Oilers didn't deserve this win. Fighting for playoff position, home game against a weak team and they got outplayed.

5 on 5 xG
NTS 2.33 vs 1.82
Moneypuck 2.36 vs 2.08

All situations
NTS 4.32 vs 2.63
Moneypuck 4.56 vs 3.08

Flawed team build by a bad GM. Defense is the biggest problem. When healthy the top9 is one the best in the league, but the game is played mostly 5vs5 and our D isn't playoff caliber. They are dragging the forwards down.

Nurse will be massively overpaid next year. And is massively overplayed because we lack good defenders.
Bouchard should be sheltered. Playing 2nd/3rd pair minutes depending on his play at the time.
Ceci should be the one rotating with Bouch in 2nd/3rd pair. Dependable NHL Dmen, but very limited capabilities with the puck.
Keith has been better than I thought, I will give him that, nut not a top pairing Dmen anymore.
Barrie. We already have two RDs that should play in the 2nd and 3rd pairs. So there is no room for him. We need a clear first pairing RD. To properly shelter Bouch.
Rest of the guys rotating in the 3LD spot are just fringe NHL/AHL guys at the moment. Broberg is the only one with clear upside.

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

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[Mr Positive]

Smith was bad, no question. But that was just part of the problem. Oilers didn't deserve this win. Fighting for playoff position, home game against a weak team and they got outplayed.

5 on 5 xG
NTS 2.33 vs 1.82
Moneypuck 2.36 vs 2.08

All situations
NTS 4.32 vs 2.63
Moneypuck 4.56 vs 3.08

Flawed team build by a bad GM. Defense is the biggest problem. When healthy the top9 is one the best in the league, but the game is played mostly 5vs5 and our D isn't playoff caliber. They are dragging the forwards down.

Nurse will be massively overpaid next year. And is massively overplayed because we lack good defenders.
Bouchard should be sheltered. Playing 2nd/3rd pair minutes depending on his play at the time.
Ceci should be the one rotating with Bouch in 2nd/3rd pair. Dependable NHL Dmen, but very limited capabilities with the puck.
Keith has been better than I thought, I will give him that, nut not a top pairing Dmen anymore.
Barrie. We already have two RDs that should play in the 2nd and 3rd pairs. So there is no room for him. We need a clear first pairing RD. To properly shelter Bouch.
Rest of the guys rotating in the 3LD spot are just fringe NHL/AHL guys at the moment. Broberg is the only one with clear upside.

Nurse has been mostly worth his raise, especially under Woodcroft. As his raise actually hits, he will be a year older and wiser (still is at that stage as D mature late) and most important the D around will as well. Ceci has gotten better every year of his career and it could happen again. And of course theres lots of young D here who will mature. Bouchard is the big one who is suffering from the intense NHL schedule and opposition but he will adapt.

I'm not too worried about the future D. It is the D today that is concerning, and Nurse only makes 5.6 Aav on today's D so theres no real issue there

 

[McDNicks17]

Any GM of the oilers will have to contend with overpaying players to play in Canada and then in Edmonton. We have effectively 20% less cap space than most other teams because we have to pay more to get the same thing.

That's why you don't build the team strictly through UFA like our deadbeat GM has done.

He could have grabbed an entire 4th line, a bottom pairing and a goalie just off waivers that would be upgrades, but he refuses to do anything that will knock the players he gave garbage contracts to out of the lineup.

 

[Staghorn]

And we still have Mike Smith on the books next year…. No dodging that great second year. Wow. Why the second year??? Handcuffed the team big time. The only way the Oil gets out of this cap problem and a few other glaring cap problems is if some other team can be coerced…. Zero likelihood of that. Bleak.

 

[Mr Positive]

And we still have Mike Smith on the books next year…. No dodging that great second year. Wow. Why the second year??? Handcuffed the team big time. The only way the Oil gets out of this cap problem and a few other glaring cap problems is if some other team can be coerced…. Zero likelihood of that. Bleak.

We can dodge it by having him on LTIR

I was cautiously in favor of the deal at the time just because I assume it was a way to pay him a starter wage but spread it out. If his cap hit isnt LTIRed next year I will be floored

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Dark times once again.