Post-Game Talk: Oilers Lose to Preds 2-0, Haven't Scored in Years

LaGu

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I don't think posters hate Lander per se, they're just pointing out that, compared to his preseason and late-2015 season games, his performance has been disappointing in the 2 games played

Didn't he finish in the very top of the pre-season scoring in the league?

I think he was ok in the NSH game, didn't see st.louis. Although normally these are the kind of games in which he should score (1st/2nd line shut down by excellent D). But it is still a 3rd line, not a 2b line.
 

Pointteen

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Didn't he finish in the very top of the pre-season scoring in the league?

I think he was ok in the NSH game, didn't see st.louis. Although normally these are the kind of games in which he should score (1st/2nd line shut down by excellent D). But it is still a 3rd line, not a 2b line.

Has Lander had linemates that last more than 2 periods?
 

Spawn

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2 games. Reinhart can still fit into another 79. Totally 80 in the season.

Yeah it sucks to see him out, but if we are rotating then Davidson deserves some games as well.
Remember when there was an overwhelming amount of fans telling us that Reinhart wasn't worth the price paid and wouldn't be any good?

Wellllll the way I see it is this is his first NHL season. He shouldn't be gifted minutes because of the politics of the trade.

Yes, he looked great. Maybe he has looked putrid in practice? Maybe they only want him paired with specific skaters?

It is only two games. Lots of time left in the season. Reinhart will be where he is supposed to be this season. According to real, competent NHL evaluators.

This just sounds like excuses to try and explain away a bad decision by the coaching staff.

Reinhart was one of the best d-men on the team in game one. If it isn't about politics, than someone like Klefbom or Sekera should have been sat after game 1. Or you know.... they should just ice the 6 best d-men.

Yeah it's only 2 games in, but they've already lost two. Before you know it, it can be 3 or 4 or 10 games. And then the season is over. Game 1, game 20 or game 70, there is never a time when you should be doing anything other than icing the best lineup to win.
 

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This just sounds like excuses to try and explain away a bad decision by the coaching staff.

Reinhart was one of the best d-men on the team in game one. If it isn't about politics, than someone like Klefbom or Sekera should have been sat after game 1. Or you know.... they should just ice the 6 best d-men.

Yeah it's only 2 games in, but they've already lost two. Before you know it, it can be 3 or 4 or 10 games. And then the season is over. Game 1, game 20 or game 70, there is never a time when you should be doing anything other than icing the best lineup to win.

I will give you questionable. Bad is a bit overzealous.
I am anxious for wins like the rest of us.

But sharpening the axe already makes no sense.
 

Spawn

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I will give you questionable. Bad is a bit overzealous.
I am anxious for wins like the rest of us.

But sharpening the axe already makes no sense.

Being criticial of a coaching decision does not equate to "sharpening the axe." I was a huge fan of the McLellan hire, I've been a huge fan of what I've seen out of him so far.

That doesn't mean he's infallible, or immune from the subsequent criticism.

Ference shouldn't have gotten into game 2, and Reinhart shouldn't still be out after game 3. That's not hard to see.
 

LaGu

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Has Lander had linemates that last more than 2 periods?

And?

Edit: did he not play as a good 3C? I don't understand where you are going with that, changes in the top 6 often means changes on the 3-4 lines. They are not priority.
 

LaGu

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Being criticial of a coaching decision does not equate to "sharpening the axe." I was a huge fan of the McLellan hire, I've been a huge fan of what I've seen out of him so far.

That doesn't mean he's infallible, or immune from the subsequent criticism.

Ference shouldn't have gotten into game 2, and Reinhart shouldn't still be out after game 3. That's not hard to see.

Ference spent more than 8 min against NSH's 1st line whilst Klefbom and Sekera spent like 4.5 min against their top line.

Don't really know what I want to say with that ... But I found it odd.
 

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Ference spent more than 8 min against NSH's 1st line whilst Klefbom and Sekera spent like 4.5 min against their top line.

Don't really know what I want to say with that ... But I found it odd.

Well, to be fair to McLellan- and, as much as it pains me to say it, to be fair to Ference- Sekera didn't exactly earn himself any favors on a particular break-in sequence. For Todd, I think it was truly a case of damned if you do/don't.
 

Zaddy

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This just sounds like excuses to try and explain away a bad decision by the coaching staff.

Reinhart was one of the best d-men on the team in game one. If it isn't about politics, than someone like Klefbom or Sekera should have been sat after game 1. Or you know.... they should just ice the 6 best d-men.

Yeah it's only 2 games in, but they've already lost two. Before you know it, it can be 3 or 4 or 10 games. And then the season is over. Game 1, game 20 or game 70, there is never a time when you should be doing anything other than icing the best lineup to win.

Agree. Sends a pretty weird message. If I was Reinhart I'd be scratching my head like "what did I do wrong?". OK that they get him out for game 2 just to get a look on Ference and seeing how Reinhart was the last guy in on D basically he'd be the first guy out (I still don't agree with it but I can see a reason for it) but to scratch him 2 games in a row when he was real solid in game 1? Makes no sense at all.
 

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Ference spent more than 8 min against NSH's 1st line whilst Klefbom and Sekera spent like 4.5 min against their top line.

Don't really know what I want to say with that ... But I found it odd.

To be fair, with Nashville having last change don't you think that they had a part to play in manipulating the matchups to their advantage? If you were Laviolette, wouldn't you be trying to victimize a weak link? Sure, MacLellan can do some things to stay away from that but in the heat of battle there's only so much you can do.
 

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why do you guys hate Davidson so much? Lol he's better then Ference and if he plays almost as good as Reinhart then we have 2 decent bottom six options with potential. Let the kid play and stop being so biased
 

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People are getting mad at Chia and Todd for evaluating talent and seeing what works? Cmon guys, its not like Reinheart is Chara or something. He played good, but not so good that its not even worth giving Davidson a shot, when clearly Oilers front office sees something in him.
 

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Ference spent more than 8 min against NSH's 1st line whilst Klefbom and Sekera spent like 4.5 min against their top line.

Don't really know what I want to say with that ... But I found it odd.

Only thing Ference "lead" us to on Saturday was a loss. It's amazing to me that it seems so blantant to us based on Ference's performance in the preseason that he shouldn't being playing anything other than 7th d-man minutes, if that. And yet here the coaches go playing him and he makes the obvious mistakes we've come to expect.
 

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To be fair, with Nashville having last change don't you think that they had a part to play in manipulating the matchups to their advantage? If you were Laviolette, wouldn't you be trying to victimize a weak link? Sure, MacLellan can do some things to stay away from that but in the heat of battle there's only so much you can do.
People just look at numbers. I sometimes wonder if people under stand the game.
 

SupremeTeam16

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Like others have mentioned Nashville had last change and obviously they we're going to exploit that Ferrence - Gryba tandem.

Veterans like Ferrence always get the chance to play their way out of their spot in the regular season, I see the same thing happening with Purcell. Chia was probably hoping they could play well enough to give some of our young guys a chance to settle in and at the same time maybe generate some trade interest. Unfortunately both have been brutal through pre season and the first couple of games.
 

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I like Davidson... I have no problem with him getting a shot on the roster. Let's see what he can do out there and maybe there's a legit bottom pairing asset there.

This is what happens though when you run with 8 dmen... there's always going to be someone left sucking hind tit and missing out on games.

The obvious elephant in the room is that damn NMC which makes Ference impossible to move. The coaches likely want to see what Ference has left in him before they staple him to the PB permanently (although they could have just asked us here and we could have told them and saved them the trouble. ;) ).

They don't want to lose Davidson to waivers obviously so they have to play the 8-dman musical chairs game until either Ference agrees to be moved somewhere in a trade or retires (neither are that likely)... or someone gets injured and the issue fixes itself.

I think the Oilers like Gryba in the lineup for his physicality so he's not really someone they want to remove very often... so it's going to be a 3-way shuffle for the other 3 for the foreseeable future.
 

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I'm thinking Reinhart has a minor injury and they're giving him a few games to rehab.
 

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Being criticial of a coaching decision does not equate to "sharpening the axe." I was a huge fan of the McLellan hire, I've been a huge fan of what I've seen out of him so far.

That doesn't mean he's infallible, or immune from the subsequent criticism.

Ference shouldn't have gotten into game 2, and Reinhart shouldn't still be out after game 3. That's not hard to see.

I don't disagree with you. But a lot of negativity seems premature.
Maybe I'm the delusional one,but we haven't had enough preference to Ference in order to make this into a big thing.


And my point on Lander is he's doing his job fine enough. Bigger problems to fix. AKA scoring a goal.
 

Jeff Lebowski

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Only thing Ference "lead" us to on Saturday was a loss. It's amazing to me that it seems so blantant to us based on Ference's performance in the preseason that he shouldn't being playing anything other than 7th d-man minutes, if that. And yet here the coaches go playing him and he makes the obvious mistakes we've come to expect.

Pretty sure it had a lot more to do with scoring 0 goals.
 

dustrock

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Could be showcasing some guys. Reinhart not being one of those guys.

Not surprised McLellan needs more time at regular season pace to see what works.
 

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Guys, I found some encouraging news for us oiler fans

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?season=20132014


This is the record of the NYR when AV was first hired. As you can see, they were completely awful to start the year, getting blown out and not scoring. It took a while but AV got them playing the right system. Maybe TMac can do the same with this club, just not to as big of an extent. right? amrite?!!!
 

McTrashBoat

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Guys, I found some encouraging news for us oiler fans

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?season=20132014


This is the record of the NYR when AV was first hired. As you can see, they were completely awful to start the year, getting blown out and not scoring. It took a while but AV got them playing the right system. Maybe TMac can do the same with this club, just not to as big of an extent. right? amrite?!!!

That's what I'm hoping. I don't know why not to expect this.
 

Frank the Tank

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Assuming the cost is not exorbitant, I would love to have Chara on the Oilers for a few reasons:
1) He would still be able to play top-pairing on the Oilers
2) He would be a great mentor for Nurse, Klefbom, and Reinhart
3) Add proven, winning leadership to the dressing room. When this happens: http://www.tsn.ca/oilers-reboot-with-focus-on-scoring-goals-1.375808

Ryan Rishaug said:
Something intriguing happened while they were working with the second power play unit at practice Monday. McLellan had the other players pick who they thought would win the drill. Those who thought the penalty kill would win stayed by the benches, players who thought the power play would score, skated to the penalty box side. The coach will usually make the ones who guess wrong skate back and forth a few times. It's a fun team building wrinkle added to a regular drill.

Connor McDavid was the only Oiler to skate to the far side of the ice, and bet on his fellow power play specialists. The rest of the team, including members of the first PP unit (Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Pouliot, Schultz) stayed on the bench side betting on the penalty kill, who the drill clearly favoured. McDavid could not openly bet against his fellow power play unit, even if it meant he was standing all by himself, getting a few jeers from teammates.

In the end, the penalty kill dominated the drill, and McLellan chose not to make McDavid skate on his own, but that's beside the point. The entire power play should have been on the penalty box side, the penalty killers on the bench side, each supporting their fellow units. McDavid was the only one who got that. It was a subtle sign of natural leadership from him.

McDavid would have a 6'9" leader standing beside him.
 

LaGu

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To be fair, with Nashville having last change don't you think that they had a part to play in manipulating the matchups to their advantage? If you were Laviolette, wouldn't you be trying to victimize a weak link? Sure, MacLellan can do some things to stay away from that but in the heat of battle there's only so much you can do.

It wasn't really meant as a critique against McL as much as an explanation to why Ference struggled.
 

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