Post-Game Talk: Oilers beat NYI 5-2

[Digger12]

Agreed. But at the risk of being repetitive Yak could do things and get in good spots much of the night. The line isn't going to be possessing the puck much with Lander as Center and Fraser on other wing. Sometimes it looks as if the org really is content with Yak failing and just allowing it to occur.

Yak needs help. Not this. He's the last player on this team that should be rearing AHL players at this exact moment. We have 3 players on a line trying to find their way in the dark. To his credit Fraser will do it for awhile and then get overwhelmed. Lander will try for awhile and then be done. This team is sinking him too.

I do think the org saw Draisaitl after they drafted him as the eventual long-term center for Yak that will bring out the best in him. The only problem is that Draisaitl will need a year at minimum to be ready for that role. Whether Yak will still be around when that happens is a good question.

 

[McOvechking]

I do think the org saw Draisaitl after they drafted him as the eventual long-term center for Yak that will bring out the best in him. The only problem is that Draisaitl will need a year at minimum to be ready for that role. Whether Yak will still be around when that happens is a good question.

I'm pretty confident Yakupov is going nowhere. He might not be helping our lineup, but he's not hurting it either. And whatever return we get for him, at this point, is certainly not going to help either. The best thing we can do is sit tight and try to find solutions through other avenues than trading him.

 

[dustrock]

Couple of points:

(1) I think it's funny that people are ascribing the losses to Mac T when he was on the bench with Nelson, and now that he's back upstairs, things are better. Seems to me, based on Nelson's comments, that it simply takes time for players to learn new systems or drills in practice.

I've got plenty of criticism going Mac T's way, but there's some pretty simplistic thinking at times.



(2) I'm happy overall with Nelson so far, but I'm not sure that most of what ails this team isn't the roster and the management. It's not surprising to me that bringing in new players who come from winning teams and are eager for spots (Fraser, Roy, Col. Klink) are looking better than Draisaitl and Arcobello.

Teams typically have a, what, 10 game honeymoon period with a new coach? Of course things feel different right now, Eakins is gone, the expectations are gone, and the season is meaningless at this point.

This reminds of how well our Rebuild 1.0 young stars played when the season was already gone.

Breakout passes going nowhere, stupid penalties, scrambly play. Even most of the scoring was coming off of NYI screw-ups. And Scrivens was flopping around like an electrocuted Hasek out there.

I don't want to pointlessly criticize a much-needed regulation win and 5 goals, but at 2-1 after 2 periods, this was a couple of terrible Scrivens goals away from being another night in Eakins-land.

 

[oilerbear]

Oiler Forwards under Nelson:
Hall 4gm 0G 3A +1
RNH 4gm 1G 0A Even
Eberle 4gm 2G 1A +2

Hendricks 4gm 3G 0A +3
Gordon 4gm 0G 0A +2
Klinkhamer 1gm 0g 1A +2

Pouliot 2gm 1G 0A +1
Roy 4gm 1G 1A Even

Lander 2gm 0G 1A +1
Fraser 4gm 2G 0A +1

Purcell 4gm 0G 0A -1
Yakupov 4gm 0G 1A -1

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Oiler Forwards under Nelson:
Hall 4gm 0G 3A +1
RNH 4gm 1G 0A Even
Eberle 4gm 2G 1A +2

Hendricks 4gm 3G 0A +3
Gordon 4gm 0G 0A +2
Klinkhamer 1gm 0g 1A +2

Pouliot 2gm 1G 0A +1
Roy 4gm 1G 1A Even

Lander 2gm 0G 1A +1
Fraser 4gm 2G 0A +1

Purcell 4gm 0G 0A -1
Yakupov 4gm 0G 1A -1

Hendricks - Roy - Fraser
Is our new top line. Let's do this.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Couple of points:

(1) I think it's funny that people are ascribing the losses to Mac T when he was on the bench with Nelson, and now that he's back upstairs, things are better. Seems to me, based on Nelson's comments, that it simply takes time for players to learn new systems or drills in practice.

I've got plenty of criticism going Mac T's way, but there's some pretty simplistic thinking at times.



(2) I'm happy overall with Nelson so far, but I'm not sure that most of what ails this team isn't the roster and the management. It's not surprising to me that bringing in new players who come from winning teams and are eager for spots (Fraser, Roy, Col. Klink) are looking better than Draisaitl and Arcobello.

Teams typically have a, what, 10 game honeymoon period with a new coach? Of course things feel different right now, Eakins is gone, the expectations are gone, and the season is meaningless at this point.

This reminds of how well our Rebuild 1.0 young stars played when the season was already gone.

Breakout passes going nowhere, stupid penalties, scrambly play. Even most of the scoring was coming off of NYI screw-ups. And Scrivens was flopping around like an electrocuted Hasek out there.

I don't want to pointlessly criticize a much-needed regulation win and 5 goals, but at 2-1 after 2 periods, this was a couple of terrible Scrivens goals away from being another night in Eakins-land.

MacTavish ran the practices and the bench. Nelson was quoted after the fifth game on how this was his first opportunity to address the team.

Pretty common knowledge.

 

[Klimando Kostani]

MacTavish ran the practices and the bench. Nelson was quoted after the fifth game on how this was his first opportunity to address the team.

Pretty common knowledge.

Further there was pictres of practice during that period and it was obvious that MacT was running them.

 

[missinthejets]

Even most of the scoring was coming off of NYI screw-ups.

this is a strange comment because in the NHL these days most of the scoring everywhere comes from other teams screwing up. It's why the emphasis from coaches is so focussed on not screwing up.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

this is a strange comment because in the NHL these days most of the scoring everywhere comes from other teams screwing up. It's why the emphasis from coaches is so focussed on not screwing up.

And that's why we often get scored on too, cause we make many many mistakes.

 

[dustrock]

this is a strange comment because in the NHL these days most of the scoring everywhere comes from other teams screwing up. It's why the emphasis from coaches is so focussed on not screwing up.

Yes, I get that. But one of the major problems with this team over the last several years has been 5v5 scoring, and I still think this roster, the "core" players, aren't going to be a great 5v5 team regardless of the coaching.

 

[dustrock]

MacTavish ran the practices and the bench. Nelson was quoted after the fifth game on how this was his first opportunity to address the team.

Pretty common knowledge.

Never heard that, but I was out of the country for a while. Do we know Mac T was running things a la Eakins in his practices?

I just assumed it would take a few games to get the players on the new page.

 

[missinthejets]

Yes, I get that. But one of the major problems with this team over the last several years has been 5v5 scoring, and I still think this roster, the "core" players, aren't going to be a great 5v5 team regardless of the coaching.

but why downplay it when the Oilers do it? Taking advantage of your opponents mistakes is how teams win in the NHL. That is really what separates the good teams from the bad, how many mistakes you make. You think it's a coincidence that the Oilers sport a terrible record and they make so many mistakes on the ice?

 

[guymez]

I'm pretty confident Yakupov is going nowhere. He might not be helping our lineup, but he's not hurting it either. And whatever return we get for him, at this point, is certainly not going to help either. The best thing we can do is sit tight and try to find solutions through other avenues than trading him.

I am not so sure about that. Yaks deficiencies outweigh his contributions and that in essence hurts the team.

Yak doesnt seem like the type of personality that has what it takes to will himself into being a better player. He is not a leader and he doesn't make the players around him better.
He is a specialist and once you lose that part of your game its tough to get it back because there is nothing else to fall back on.

That said they still may be a player in there but its going to take a lot of effort to find that player.

I dont think the Oilers have any choice but to try and find that player because Yaks value is next to nothing. The optics of a #1 overall pick like Yak not developing and/or the Oilers not getting a substantial return are exceedingly bad considering the state of the team.

 

[Replacement*]

Never heard that, but I was out of the country for a while. Do we know Mac T was running things a la Eakins in his practices?

I just assumed it would take a few games to get the players on the new page.

Video, pictures, articles, posters attending practices all indicated that MacT was running the practices and Nelson was in background. Its a known.

Since Nelson has been left behind the bench and in control of practice the on ice performance has been night and day. I believe you were wrong in your assertion.