Speculation: Offseason Thread: Officially Offseason

[Tawnos]

an NTC implies that he can be demoted.

Which is why I don't think he has an "NTC" he has a "full NMC" that turns into a "partial NMC" after 3 years. Note that his agent never used the term NTC.

 

[Riche16]

you newer fans wouldnt remember this but under the last CBA you could hide a contract in the minors and only get charged a small caphit. Which is why they demoted Redden. They got out from 5.75 of his caphit. Under the new CBA, you can only get a small break. the rangers would get 900K in cap relief and the other 5.6 would still be on the cap.


Does the difference in circumstance make sense?

Was going to post this (without the age reference lol)

The difference is night and DAY

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Count of players currently making over $5m AAV per team (does not include current FAs)

Maybe this narrative that $8.5m tied up in a goalie is ruining our team can stop now?

Maybe it's more likely that the Rangers shouldn't have $11m tied up in terrible d-men?

People see other teams win the cup with cheaper goalies and think we're wasting money on Henrik. Bottom line is he's our best player by far and the most important player on this team, he earned every cent of his contract, if he went UFA he would've gotten even more.

All teams have to pay their best players a very high amount. Crosby and Malkin both make more than Hank. Toews/Kane. Subban at 9m, which wait until Price is up for a new deal, he'll get Hank's contract minimum. Even if his career stats don't back it up, the media loves pumping him as the messiah because of a season and a half of dominance. Bergevin will get skewered if he does anything short of rename the Canadiens the Careydiens to keep Price happy.


Hank earned his money and deserves it for his play currently. People are complaining about it when he is completely earning it still. You pay your best players and worry about the rest later. So Hank makes 8.5m a season? So what, he deserves it.

Girardi @ 5.5m = overpaid by 2.5m

Staal @ 5.7m = overpaid by 2m

Glass @ 1.45m = overpaid by 1.45m


Those are 3 deals given out by the Rangers that are far more egregious than Hank's. I'll never understand why Hank's deal is the one people get mad about. The dude is the best at his position for his generation.

 

[silverfish]

People see other teams win the cup with cheaper goalies and think we're wasting money on Henrik. Bottom line is he's our best player by far and the most important player on this team, he earned every cent of his contract, if he went UFA he would've gotten even more.

All teams have to pay their best players a very high amount. Crosby and Malkin both make more than Hank. Toews/Kane. Subban at 9m, which wait until Price is up for a new deal, he'll get Hank's contract minimum. Even if his career stats don't back it up, the media loves pumping him as the messiah because of a season and a half of dominance. Bergevin will get skewered if he does anything short of rename the Canadiens the Careydiens to keep Price happy.


Hank earned his money and deserves it for his play currently. People are complaining about it when he is completely earning it still. You pay your best players and worry about the rest later. So Hank makes 8.5m a season? So what, he deserves it.

Girardi @ 5.5m = overpaid by 2.5m

Staal @ 5.7m = overpaid by 2m

Glass @ 1.45m = overpaid by 1.45m


Those are 3 deals given out by the Rangers that are far more egregious than Hank's. I'll never understand why Hank's deal is the one people get mad about. The dude is the best at his position for his generation.

@ bolded - first I laughed, then I got sad.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Which is why I don't think he has an "NTC" he has a "full NMC" that turns into a "partial NMC" after 3 years. Note that his agent never used the term NTC.

Which, for the record, is why I think the media (and General Fanager, and CapFriendly) all have it wrong/don't understand.

 

[TheTakedown]

Which, for the record, is why I think the media (and General Fanager, and CapFriendly) all have it wrong/don't understand.

Any time you can be traded, you no longer have a NMC. There's no such thing as a modified NMC at least as far as I've seen

 

[Mac n Gs]

If G needs to be protected in the expansion draft, then he needs to be bought out.

Then again, we'll finally have a clearer pictures once all of this info is released by, I'm guessing, some point next week.

 

[silverfish]

If G needs to be protected in the expansion draft, then he needs to be bought out.

Then again, we'll finally have a clearer pictures once all of this info is released by, I'm guessing, some point next week.

Similarly, if he isn't needed to reach any cap threshold of players made available, he should also be bought out.

 

[aufheben]

Glass @ 1.45m = overpaid by 1.45m

Well that's poignant.

 

[jenkinsNYR9]

General Fanager is most likely correct. Everyone was initially misinterpreting the Agents quote to Brooks

"[Girardi] has a full no-move in the first 3 years and then in the last 3 years he can be traded to 15 teams".

Reading it quick makes it seems that its a NMC that turns into a NTC, which is wrong. It actually means its a full NMC (NMC plus full no trade) that turns into a modified NMC (NMC plus limited NTC), so protection is probably needed. This is similar to the clauses in the Clarkson and Fleury deals. All three have NMCs with built in modified NTCs. So they are protected against waivers, demotions, loans, and some variation of trades. But they will each need to be protected.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

This NMC and expansion rules are giving me a head ache. Why can't they be black and white about theses matters?

 

[GAGLine]

If Girardi can be traded, he can be exposed in the expansion draft.

 

[jenkinsNYR9]

If Girardi can be traded, he can be exposed in the expansion draft.

Thats not true. When it comes to the expansion draft the NMC trumps the NTC clause part of the contract according to Sportsnets latest: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-teams-receiving-information-potential-expansion-draft/

He would need to be protected.

 

[Machinehead]

This NMC and expansion rules are giving me a head ache. Why can't they be black and white about theses matters?

This is a league that can't even clearly define a loss or how many points you get for it.

 

[Ail]

General Fanager is most likely correct. Everyone was initially misinterpreting the Agents quote to Brooks

"[Girardi] has a full no-move in the first 3 years and then in the last 3 years he can be traded to 15 teams".

Reading it quick makes it seems that its a NMC that turns into a NTC, which is wrong. It actually means its a full NMC (NMC plus full no trade) that turns into a modified NMC (NMC plus limited NTC), so protection is probably needed. This is similar to the clauses in the Clarkson and Fleury deals. All three have NMCs with built in modified NTCs. So they are protected against waivers, demotions, loans, and some variation of trades. But they will each need to be protected.

I think Dan needs to log on and tell us himself.

 

[silverfish]

#fancystats

 

[Machinehead]

He was good for Dallas and I do not care what their fans say

 

[Inferno]

He was good for Dallas and I do not care what their fans say

yes, very good.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

#fancystats

Probably means Dallas is going to promote Honka as his replacement, so there goes that dream

 

[silverfish]

At this point, if I'm in the FO of a team that "doesn't believe" in analytics, I'm taking a good hard look at some of the decisions guys like Chayka are making, and trying to figure out why they are making them.

Arizona just bought themselves 15 days of negotiations with Goligoski, a guy that will be sought after quite a bit on the UFA market. That's worth a late pick (assuming they gave up a 5th or later for this right) every day of the week.

 

[TheTakedown]

Similarly, if he isn't needed to reach any cap threshold of players made available, he should also be bought out.

if he has a bounce back year and there is a chance Vegas could claim him, AND you don't have to use a protection slot, you keep him. Worst case, buy him out the following year. Rangers aren't competing for a cup this coming season

 

[Ghost of jas]

Probably means Dallas is going to promote Honka as his replacement, so there goes that dream

Honka is likely the replacement for Demers when he gets overpaid. Goligoski gets replaced by......Marc Staal.

 

[TheTakedown]

Honka is likely the replacement for Demers when he gets overpaid. Goligoski gets replaced by......Marc Staal.

I'll take it.

Then perhaps we can keep Yandle?

McDonagh-Klein
Yandle-McIlrath
Skjei-Girardi

That's really not that bad. If you can trade Klein for a forward, and then trade Kreider for Vatanen, it's even better.

McDonagh-Vatanen
Yandle-McIlrath
Skjei-Girardi

Skjei has plenty of skill to handle Girardi on his pairing. Might actually even be good for him to play with a seasoned vet. Again, worst case, you move him (via buyout) the following offseason. This is assuming the protection issues are sorted out. If Girardi needs any protection at all, he needs to go. I would hate to lose McIlrath at the expense of Girardi

This is all moot if Management thinks Graves is ready by next season (2017-18), cause then you could go:

McDonagh-Vatanen
Skjei-McIlrath
Graves-Girardi/UFA

 

[NYR Viper]

So, Goligoski's rights went for a 5th. If they can't sign Yandle, trade his rights, add a late pick

 

[silverfish]

5th round pick. Really like it for both sides. Love it for AZ if they get him signed.