Speculation: Offseason Thread: Officially Offseason

[YoSoyLalo]

Courtesy of BBkers

PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS ORGANISATION 2016-2017 (29)
NEW YORK RANGERS SQUAD(15)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status |Team 2015 |Drafted/Acquired |Age 2016
1| F | Jesper Fast(h) |$950.000 |RFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R6 #157 NYR (2010) |25
2| F | Oscar Lindberg |$650,000 |RFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #57 PHX (2010) - acquired unsigned through trade|25
3| F | Tanner Glass |$1,450,000 |UFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R7 #265 Florida Panthers (2003) - signed w/NYR as UFA |32
4| D | Brady Skjei (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #28 NYR (2012) |22
5| D | Kevin Kline |$2,900,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #37 Nashville Predators (2003) - acquired through trade|32
6| G | Anti Raanta |$1,000,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |27
7| F | Pavel Buchnevich |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |St. Petersburg SKA/KHL |R3 #75 NYR (2013) |21
8| F | Rick Nash (NMC) |$7,800,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #1 overall Columbus Blue Jackets (2002) - acquired through trade|32
9| D | Ryan McDonagh |$4,700,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 Montreal (2007) - acquired unsigned through trade|27
10| F | Mats Zuccarello (NTC) |$4,500,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |29
11| D | Dan Girardi (NMC => NTC)|$5,500,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |32
12| F | Derick Brassard |$5,000,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #6 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006) - acquired through trade|29
13| G | Henrik Lundqvist (NMC)|$8,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R7 #208 NYR (2000) |34
14| F | Derek Stepan (NMC => NTC)|$6,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #51 NYR (2008) |26
15| D | Marc Staal (NMC => NTC)|$5,750,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 NYR (2005) |29[/table]

TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $72,800,000 (according to latest reports)
CAP PAYROLL: $57,050,000
CAP SPACE (15-man roster - 8 FWDs, 5 D, 2 G): $15,750,000
AVERAGE AGE ~ 27 years

* - has additional bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract

CONTRACTED BUT ASSIGNED TO AHL/ECHL/ELSEWHERE (14)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status |Team 2015 |Drafted |Age 2016
16|D |Chris Summers |$600.000 |UFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #29 Phoenix Coyotes (2006) |28
17|F |Adam Chapie (ELC) |$800.000* |RFA 2017 |UMass/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |25
18|D |Troy Donnay (ELC) |$716,667* |RFA 2017 |Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
19|G |MacKenzie Skapski (ELC)|$661,667* |RFA 2017 |Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL |R6 #170 NYR (2013) |22
20|D |Calle Andersson (ELC) |$661,667* |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #119 NYR (2012) |22
21|G |Magnus Hellberg |$625,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #38 Nashville (2011) |25
22|F |Chris Brown |$575,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #36 Arizona (2009) |25
23|F |Adam Tambellini (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #65 NYR (2013) |22
24|F |Cristoval Nieves(ELC) |$755.000* |RFA 2018 |Michigan Wolverines/NCAA |R2 #59 NYR (2012) |22
25|F |Steven Fogarty (ELC) |$750.000* |RFA 2018 |Notre Dame Fighting Irish/NCAA |R3 #72 NYR (2011) |23
26|F |Malte Strömwall (ELC) |$742.500* |RFA 2018 |AIK/SHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
27|D |Ryan Graves (ELC) |$633.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #110 NYR (2013) |21
28|F |Ryan Gropp (ELC) |$839.166* |RFA 2019 |Seattle/WHL |R2 #41 NYR (2015) |20
29|G |Brandon Halvorsen (ELC)|$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Sault Ste. Marie/OHL |R2 #59 NYR (2014) |20[/table]

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS (UFAs) (10)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit 2015/2016|Team 2015/2016 |Drafted/Acquired|Age 2016|Signed
1| F | Eric Staal |$8,250,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #2 overall Carolina Hurricanes (2003) acquired through trade|32|
2| D | Keith Yandle |$5.300,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |R4 #105 Phoenix Coyotes (2005) acquired through trade |30|
3| D | Dan Boyle |$4,500,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |40|
4| F | Dominic Moore |$1,500,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |R4 #95 NYR (2000) |36|
5| F | Viktor Stålberg |$1,100,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |R4 #95 NYR (2000) |36|
6|D |Rafael Diaz |$700.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |30|
7|G |Cedrik Desjardins |$600,000 |Manchester Monarchs/ECHL |Undrafted |31|
8|D |Chris Summers |$600.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #29 Phoenix Coyotes (2006) |28|
9|F |Brian Gibbons |$600.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #44 Buffalo Sabres (2008) |26|
10|F |Nick Tarnasky |$575,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #287 Tampa Bay Lightening (2003) |32|
11|F |Daniel Paille |$575.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #20 Buffalo (2002) |32|[/table]

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS (RFAs) (16)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit 2015/2016|Team 2015/2016 |Drafted/Acquired|Age 2016|Signed
1| F | Chris Kreider |$2,475,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #19 NYR (2009) |25|
2| F | J.T. Miller |$874.125 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #15 NYR (2011) |23|
3| D | Dylan McIlrath |$600,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #10 NYR (2010) |24|
4| F | Marek Hrivik |$698,250 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |25|
5| F | Niklas Jensen |$863,333 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #29 Vancouver (2011) |23|
6| F | Luke Adam |$650.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #44 Buffalo Sabres (2008) |26|
7| F | Jason Megna |$600.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted |26|
8| F | Matt Lindblad |$600.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted |26|
9| F | Kevin Hayes (ELC) |$900,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Chicago (2010)- signed w/NYR as UFA|24|
10|F | Josh Nichols (ELC) |$709,167 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #182 Toronto Maple Leafs (2010) |24|
11|F | Chris McCarthy (ELC) |$692,500 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |25|
12|D | Samuel Noreau (ELC) |$685,000 |Norfolk Admirals/ECHL |R5 #136 NYR (2011) |23|
13|F | Michael St. Croix (ELC)|$665,000 |Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL |R4 #106 NYR (2011) |23|
14|D | Tommy Hughes (ELC) |$608,333 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |24|
15|F | Michael Kantor (ELC) |$583,333 |Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |24|
16|D | Matt Bodie (ELC) |$575.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |26|[/table]

PLAYERS STILL UNSIGNED BUT WITH RIGHTS RETAINED BY NYR (8)
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Team| Height |Weight| Nationality |Shoots|DOB|Drafted
1|G |Igor Shesterkin |St. Petersburg SKA (KHL) |6' 1"| 187 | Russia |L|December 30, 1995 |R4 #118 NYR (2014)
2|RW |Richard Nejezchleb @ |Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL |6' 2"| 212 | Czech Republic|L|May 2, 1994 |R5 #122 NYR (2014)
3|D |Tyler Nanne ¤ |Ohio State/NCAA (did not play) |5' 10"|175 | USA |R|March 17, 1996 |R5 #142 NYR (2014)
4|LW |Robin Kovacs |AIK/Allsvenskan |6' 0"| 175 | Sweden |L|November 16, 1996 |R3 #62 NYR (2015)
5|D |Sergey Zborovskiy |Regina/WHL |6' 3"| 200 | Russia |R|February 21, 1997 |R3 #79 NYR (2015)
6|C |Brad Morrison |Prince George/WHL |6' 0"| 160 | Canada |L|January 4, 1997 |R4 #113 NYR (2015)
7|RW |Daniel Bernhardt |London Knights/OHL |6' 3"| 191 | Sweden |L|April 11, 1996 |R4 #119 NYR (2015)
8|G |Adam Huska |Green Bay Gamblers/USHL |6' 3"| 191 | Slovakia |L|May 12, 1997 |R7 #184 NYR (2015)
(9)|F |Klingberg, Carl |Signed in Russia - rights retained|6' 3"|205 | Sweden |R|January 28, 1991 |R2 #34 Atlanta (2009)[/table]

@ - signed to AHL deal
¤ - injured

2016 DRAFT PICKS

• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round Arizona
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR
• 7th round NYR

• We lost our 1st round pick to Arizona in the trade for Keith Yandle - but according to Bill Daly the NYR can choose to defer it to 2017 if they want
• We lost our 2nd round pick to Carolina in the trade for Eric Staal
• We then also gained a 4th round pick from Arizona
• We traded our 4th in 2015 to San Jose for James Sheppard

2017 DRAFT PICKS

• 1st round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round VAN
• 7th round NYR

• We lost our 2nd round pick to Carolina in the trade for Eric Staal
• We lost our 6th round pick to Nashville in the trade for Magnus Hellberg
• We gained a 6th round pick from Vancouver when we traded Emerson Etem

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[Hunter Gathers]

OVER 1000.

Wow. What a thread.

 

[NYRKING30]

Cue next thread in 12 days prior to the Draft.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

We need to make moves now!!

 

[Mikos87]

There are a bunch of nice players in Minny that the Rangers could use... and I think there's a move to be made with Fletcher on the hot seat. Desperate GMs make desperate moves.

They invested close to $245M in Parise, Koivu, and Suter for a couple of 1st and 2nd round exits. That's a bitter pill to swallow for any franchise.

Player from Minny I like:

Coyle- IMO he's ready to break out... should have spent some more time in the minors early on... but IMO he can be a 25-30 guy that goes up against another teams top 6... as a center.

Dumba- Oooo this is tantalizing as a player... IMO he's got a lot of Ed Jovonovski in him... all of the physical tools... but maybe not the brightest decision maker... the difference in his play with Canada at the WC versus the inconsistent player in Minnesota gives me hope that he can take that next step... effort is unquestioned... it's can he make the smart play shift in shift out... especially with the puck.

Niederreiter- I've always liked his player... sure he doesn't have top end speed... but he's got skill and top end puck protection skills. He's been a 2nd-3rd line tweener... but I watched a ton of him in Bridgeport during the lockout 3.0... and IMO he's got a lot to offer to a team next to a proper playmaking center. He's a one-way Marian Hossa very early in Hossa's career.. like the 1st two years... needs good coaching.

Tyler Groavac- Highly injury prone.. but he was dominant in his final year of junior for a checking line player... huge player... doesn't have great puck skills... upside is a 4th liner... but he could be a late bloomer that turns into a Brian Boyle type of player to become an NHLer...

Alex Tuch- A couple of steps slower, but a RH shooting version of Kreider. Yeah... he's disappointed on the big stage in the WJC and at BC... but the physical tools are there for to be a solid top 9 player.

Folin- Big, can skate... was rushed... then didn't play a lot... however he was a very sought after college player after his last year there... he was excellent. He can skate at the NHL level... and doesn't fumble the puck... but he's probably had only 1 year where he was battled tested in a top 4 role in recent years. He could be a Stralman like late bloomer.

Jason Zucker- I like him a lot... a fiery little competitor that lays it all out there.. not a top line player.. or perhaps a marginal top 6 player... but he's that guy that is a major mismatch against lower tier competition. He'll score if he's on a teams 3rd line with a good center.

 

[haohmaru]

"There's plenty to "understand". If your 26 year old center can return 2-3 assets that become part of your core going forward, you make the move. Gagline nailed it with who'd you rather have now Brass or Gabby? Think the Flyers like having Simmonds and Schenn instead of the corpse of Mike Richards?

I'd rather not trade our 26 year old 1st line center, but if he brings the best return, it's part of building this roster for the future." E-Train


So, your shining example is Mike Richards - who went to LA and subsequently won two Cups, and Philadelphia has Simmonds and Schenn and have made it out of the first round once in the last five years?

I'll take Mike Richards and the two Cups, thanks. Great argument for keeping Stepan.

 

[Krams]

pumped to see what we do this offseasom

 

[NYRFAN218]

Why is Marian Gaborik being cited as an example to deal Stepan? How is a 31 year old winger who saw a steep decline in production comparable to a 26 year year old center who does pretty much everything you can ask for on both sides of the puck?

Again, barring overpayment, there's other ways to add to the core and build the foundation for this team going forward that don't involve trading the 3rd most important piece on this team.

 

[Mikos87]

"There's plenty to "understand". If your 26 year old center can return 2-3 assets that become part of your core going forward, you make the move. Gagline nailed it with who'd you rather have now Brass or Gabby? Think the Flyers like having Simmonds and Schenn instead of the corpse of Mike Richards?

I'd rather not trade our 26 year old 1st line center, but if he brings the best return, it's part of building this roster for the future." E-Train


So, your shining example is Mike Richards - who went to LA and subsequently won two Cups, and Philadelphia has Simmonds and Schenn and have made it out of the first round once in the last five years?

I'll take Mike Richards and the two Cups, thanks. Great argument for keeping Stepan.

I think it's the return... I'm all for trading Brassard over Stepan... but if he's going to bring back a ransom... that clears up cap space... brings in NHL players that can play and grow... then you make that move.

He's a very good player but not an elite no 1 center. By no means is he untouchable.

 

[haohmaru]

Why is Marian Gaborik being cited as an example to deal Stepan? How is a 31 year old winger who saw a steep decline in production comparable to a 26 year year old center who does pretty much everything you can ask for on both sides of the puck?

Because certain people think top 6 centers grow on trees and we're strong enough up the middle to move one (we're not) for prospects and picks. It makes no sense for the future OR the immediate future unless a comparable center is coming back.

Nash is the guy to move (more comparable to Gaborik and a BETTER player) or Kreider.

 

[haohmaru]

I think it's the return... I'm all for trading Brassard over Stepan... but if he's going to bring back a ransom... that clears up cap space... brings in NHL players that can play and grow... then you make that move.

He's a very good player but not an elite no 1 center. By no means is he untouchable.

I've said all along that if it's a "knock your socks off" trade then you do it. Haven't made that argument at all. But if it's something like the 15th pick and a prospect, I laugh and walk away from the table.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

"There's plenty to "understand". If your 26 year old center can return 2-3 assets that become part of your core going forward, you make the move. Gagline nailed it with who'd you rather have now Brass or Gabby? Think the Flyers like having Simmonds and Schenn instead of the corpse of Mike Richards?

I'd rather not trade our 26 year old 1st line center, but if he brings the best return, it's part of building this roster for the future." E-Train


So, your shining example is Mike Richards - who went to LA and subsequently won two Cups, and Philadelphia has Simmonds and Schenn and have made it out of the first round once in the last five years?

I'll take Mike Richards and the two Cups, thanks. Great argument for keeping Stepan.

Come on, Mike Richards wasnt winning a cup with Philly. Thats a horrible argument.

 

[Mikos87]

I've said all along that if it's a "knock your socks off" trade then you do it. Haven't made that argument at all. But if it's something like the 15th pick and a prospect, I laugh and walk away from the table.

I just listed a bunch of Minny players I'd like. If Stepan gets 2-3 of those, with Coyle and Dumba being a part of that package...

it's buh-bye D-Rock.

 

[haohmaru]

Come on, Mike Richards wasnt winning a cup with Philly. Thats a horrible argument.

They went further with him than without him, no? Richards this year is not Richards 2011.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

They went further with him than without him, no? Richards this year is not Richards 2011.

They did, but acting as if the trade is Mike Richards and two cups for Schenn/Simmonds is ridiculous. That Flyers team was bound to fall off with or without Richards. Briere/Gagne were never going to be that good again, and of course Chris Pronger having his career ended pretty much sank that team. The timing of the trades were obviously highly questionable, but the return WAS excellent. Especially the return for Carter.

That said, Stepan is not even remotely conparable to Richards. Stepan isnt nearly as reckless a player as Richards was. So I dont even know why Richards was brought up.

 

[FLYLine27*]

The only way to win the a cup is by tanking for a top 5 draft pick. DO IT.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The only way to win the a cup is by tanking for a top 5 draft pick. DO IT.

2017: Tim Liljegren
2018: Jake Wise

Gorton needs to find a way.

 

[E-Train]

"There's plenty to "understand". If your 26 year old center can return 2-3 assets that become part of your core going forward, you make the move. Gagline nailed it with who'd you rather have now Brass or Gabby? Think the Flyers like having Simmonds and Schenn instead of the corpse of Mike Richards?

I'd rather not trade our 26 year old 1st line center, but if he brings the best return, it's part of building this roster for the future." E-Train


So, your shining example is Mike Richards - who went to LA and subsequently won two Cups, and Philadelphia has Simmonds and Schenn and have made it out of the first round once in the last five years?

I'll take Mike Richards and the two Cups, thanks. Great argument for keeping Stepan.

Give me a ******* break. Mike Richards was not "Mike Richards" with the Kings but please continue with your narrative.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

I'm not so sure Stepan really fits AV's system. Not that I like AV but its clear as day to me Gorton and management are sticking with him and are gonna try and fit his system best. If one move is made, there could be other moves made in succession of that move this offseason. I wouldn't mind moving him for a top young defenseman who does it all and a prospect/pick. You're not always gonna get a McD for Scott Gomez.

 

[RangerBoy]

Craig Custance wrote an article regarding the top 5 favorites for the 2016-17 Stanley Cup

With the New York Rangers expected to rebuild and the Stamkos situation uncertain in Tampa Bay, the East is wide open.

http://espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/insider/post?id=7916

1-Chicago

2-Washington

3-TB

4-Pittsburgh

5-Dallas

 

[Mac n Gs]

AV's system can eat a bag of dicks. You keep your best players unless you're getting good value in a trade.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

AV's system can eat a bag of dicks. You keep your best players unless you're getting good value in a trade.

Check all my posts and see how I feel about AV. Sometimes we need to look into reality and think about what this team is realistically going to do.

Maybe they feel like Hayes can slot into that role and if the price is a top young defenseman and a prospect/pick they're upgrading. It's a good possibility with the right deal we will upgrade the team. This team is in a spot where you do have to look at moving everyone.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Check all my posts and see how I feel about AV. Sometimes we need to look into reality and think about what this team is realistically going to do.

Maybe they feel like Hayes can slot into that role and if the price is a top young defenseman and a prospect/pick they're upgrading. It's a good possibility with the right deal we will upgrade the team. This team is in a spot where you do have to look at moving everyone.

Hayes is going to be an all situation center that draws top competition? The same Kevin Hayes that was so laxidaisical defending away from the puck.

Hayes is more suited to assimilate Brassard's role as the center that gets favorable offensive matchups.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Hayes is going to be an all situation center that draws top competition? The same Kevin Hayes that was so laxidaisical defending away from the puck.

Hayes is more suited to assimilate Brassard's role as the center that gets favorable offensive matchups.

"Maybe they feel like" were my words dude. I get it, you're not thrilled with what they "may" do, I'm just talking hypothetically. That's the whole point of this thread right? Again, check my posts outside of trading Stepan we agree on a lot of things regarding AV and what he did last year. And again, you don't get defenseman like McD for Gomez every year. Hell, that was a once in a lifetime deal.

Personally I think Stepan is a slow skater and sucks on the PP. That doesn't fit the NHL right now. Gorton, who has won a cup, may be trying to trade for a guy that's an improvement on that. We don't know anything right now, it's all hypothetical. Be open minded right now, none of us know anything.

 

[NYR Viper]

There are a bunch of nice players in Minny that the Rangers could use... and I think there's a move to be made with Fletcher on the hot seat. Desperate GMs make desperate moves.

They invested close to $245M in Parise, Koivu, and Suter for a couple of 1st and 2nd round exits. That's a bitter pill to swallow for any franchise.

Player from Minny I like:

Coyle- IMO he's ready to break out... should have spent some more time in the minors early on... but IMO he can be a 25-30 guy that goes up against another teams top 6... as a center.

Dumba- Oooo this is tantalizing as a player... IMO he's got a lot of Ed Jovonovski in him... all of the physical tools... but maybe not the brightest decision maker... the difference in his play with Canada at the WC versus the inconsistent player in Minnesota gives me hope that he can take that next step... effort is unquestioned... it's can he make the smart play shift in shift out... especially with the puck.

Niederreiter- I've always liked his player... sure he doesn't have top end speed... but he's got skill and top end puck protection skills. He's been a 2nd-3rd line tweener... but I watched a ton of him in Bridgeport during the lockout 3.0... and IMO he's got a lot to offer to a team next to a proper playmaking center. He's a one-way Marian Hossa very early in Hossa's career.. like the 1st two years... needs good coaching.

Tyler Groavac- Highly injury prone.. but he was dominant in his final year of junior for a checking line player... huge player... doesn't have great puck skills... upside is a 4th liner... but he could be a late bloomer that turns into a Brian Boyle type of player to become an NHLer...

Alex Tuch- A couple of steps slower, but a RH shooting version of Kreider. Yeah... he's disappointed on the big stage in the WJC and at BC... but the physical tools are there for to be a solid top 9 player.

Folin- Big, can skate... was rushed... then didn't play a lot... however he was a very sought after college player after his last year there... he was excellent. He can skate at the NHL level... and doesn't fumble the puck... but he's probably had only 1 year where he was battled tested in a top 4 role in recent years. He could be a Stralman like late bloomer.

Jason Zucker- I like him a lot... a fiery little competitor that lays it all out there.. not a top line player.. or perhaps a marginal top 6 player... but he's that guy that is a major mismatch against lower tier competition. He'll score if he's on a teams 3rd line with a good center.

Like all of those pieces. Dumba, Tuch, 1st. Or Niederiter, Tuch, 1st.