Speculation: Official Rumours/Fantasy Trade Offers/Armchair GM Thread: 2020-21 edition, Part II

[I am not exposed]

Seth Jones wants out of columbus.. wonder what those trade offers look like

Big for a player of his caliber.

 

[Gentle Man]

Expectations are Jones is traded this summer. Columbus will not be repeating the summer of Panarin and Bob

 

[FinlandPanther]

Expectations are Jones is traded this summer. Columbus will not be repeating the summer of Panarin and Bob

He would be such an amazing grab but he has one year left.

 

[kerrabria]

For Seth Jones, I'd offer:

• 2021 1st Rounder
• Serron Noel
• Whichever one of our D prospects they want
• Acciari and/or Nutivaara

Maybe that gets it, but it probably doesn't. Although I doubt that anybody is gonna be breaking the bank for Jones. Especially since CBJ has more than enough wings and really needs a center. Teams don't give up top-6 upside centers for rental players, even if there's a high chance they re-sign.

Weegar - Ekblad
Forsling - Jones
Gudas/Kiersted - Gudas/Stralman

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

For Seth Jones, I'd offer:

• 2021 1st Rounder
• Serron Noel
• Whichever one of our D prospects they want
• Acciari and/or Nutivaara

Maybe that gets it, but it probably doesn't. Although I doubt that anybody is gonna be breaking the bank for Jones. Especially since CBJ has more than enough wings and really needs a center. Teams don't give up top-6 upside centers for rental players, even if there's a high chance they re-sign.

Weegar - Ekblad
Forsling - Jones
Gudas/Kiersted - Gudas/Stralman

Lumbus would accept Lundell + Vatrano + Ludvig + 2021 1st + 2022 2nd.

Weegar-Ek pairing worked well as any talented players can but it wasn't so smooth due to both being righties. Plus I don't see why they wouldn't leave an opportunity for Gildon since iirc he was one of the best dmen in the AHL albeit in a shortened season.

 

[kerrabria]

Lumbus would accept Lundell + Vatrano + Ludvig + 2021 1st + 2022 2nd.

Weegar-Ek pairing worked well as any talented players can but it wasn't so smooth due to both being righties. Plus I don't see why they wouldn't leave an opportunity for Gildon since iirc he was one of the best dmen in the AHL albeit in a shortened season.

Bro, Cobumble isn't getting a 1st, a 2nd, a blue chip prospect, another prospect, and a middle 6 winger for a single year of a 1D.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

Bro, Cobumble isn't getting a 1st, a 2nd, a blue chip prospect, another prospect, and a middle 6 winger for a single year of a 1D.

Of course they are because this is Jarmo's only decent shot to kickstart their rebuilding process. Their entire prospect pool is in the dog shit category and he won't make it to oversee that rebuilding process if he doesn't recoup their losses over the past few years. You see first rounders getting traded for guys like Goodrow and Coleman so those aren't worth much for the team who really wants Jones in their lineup. Essentially it's Lundell for Jones.

 

[letsgrowcactus]

He would be such an amazing grab but he has one year left.

This is the problem. He'll cost an awful lot for just one year and we can't afford to extend him even if we knew he would re-sign.

 

[PSLguy]

Of course they are because this is Jarmo's only decent shot to kickstart their rebuilding process. Their entire prospect pool is in the dog shit category and he won't make it to oversee that rebuilding process if he doesn't recoup their losses over the past few years. You see first rounders getting traded for guys like Goodrow and Coleman so those aren't worth much for the team who really wants Jones in their lineup. Essentially it's Lundell for Jones.

If Jarmo is holding out for a 1st he just may find himself in a Bob/Panarin situation once again where teams will just wait and sign him as a UFA.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

If Jarmo is holding out for a 1st he just may find himself in a Bob/Panarin situation once again where teams will just wait and sign him as a UFA.

I think this is a different situation since Jones has openly said in advance that he won't be signing with Lumbus whereas Bob and Bread both withheld that info and played that "let's see what's gonna happen"-game. This gives Jarmo a full year to find a team for Jones where he would sign a long term contract extension after the current contract. Thus Jarmo and Jones are cooperating on this where as guys like Bread, Bob, PLD and Tavares are acting coy about their future endeavors.

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

Jones will cost more than Ekblad to keep and would be our 2RHD.

IMO, spend the money elsewhere. You can get an entire second pairing for the $8M+ Jones would want

 

[zeroG]

I think this is a different situation since Jones has openly said in advance that he won't be signing with Lumbus whereas Bob and Bread both withheld that info and played that "let's see what's gonna happen"-game. This gives Jarmo a full year to find a team for Jones where he would sign a long term contract extension after the current contract. Thus Jarmo and Jones are cooperating on this where as guys like Bread, Bob, PLD and Tavares are acting coy about their future endeavors.

i found his comments a little confusing. or perhaps i didn't read all of the latest comments. it sounds like he's ruled out resigning this off-season but not resigning with ... cobumblus (? lol) in FA.

perhaps this is some posturing to make sure he gets what he'd be worth (or close)?

 

[KW]

In a salary cap world, it’s a bit tough for the superstars to know how much they should ask for, because the money they receive will be in competition with the money the team will have to put together a Stanley Cup contender.

I actually expect that a SC means more to Barkov than being the highest paid. In fact, I think he’d be uncomfortable being highest paid. Bobrovsky would have been wise to have the same attitude.

Then again, I’m not faced with the prospect of having to choose between 8.5M and 10M per year for the next 7 years, so maybe I just don’t understand.

 

[Gentle Man]

Jarmo has no leverage here. That's why they are trading early.

They won't be able to ask for a lot, they will be left taking the best given to them.

When a player says they are walking, the team loses their leverage. Jones saying this completely f***ed them

 

[Gaebriel]

Jones has been trending down for a while. Plays on a bad team sure but still hasn't been good. The only way this team competes the next few years with the Bobrovsky/Yandle/Stralman salary anchors around its neck are if their home-grown prospects like Gildon/Kolyachonok/Ludvig can provide good bottom pairing depth for cheap. If I'm the front office, I spend my time and energy trying to convince Yandle that Seattle would be crazy to take his contract so he can safely waive to let them protect Forsling instead.

 

[I am not exposed]

Jones has been trending down for a while. Plays on a bad team sure but still hasn't been good. The only way this team competes the next few years with the Bobrovsky/Yandle/Stralman salary anchors around its neck are if their home-grown prospects like Gildon/Kolyachonok/Ludvig can provide good bottom pairing depth for cheap. If I'm the front office, I spend my time and energy trying to convince Yandle that Seattle would be crazy to take his contract so he can safely waive to let them protect Forsling instead.

He had a poor year. As did Columbus.

He was getting overrated on these boards about a year or so ago when people were saying he is a top 3 defenseman etc. But he's still an excellent player who is young enough to bounce back.

 

[PBPantherfan]

How would they fit Malkin in under the cap?

The most obvious change would be trading the enigmatic Malkin, who is entering a walk year. In the past couple of years, there have been numerous rumors that Malkin would waive his no-movement clause to go to the Florida Panthers. According to one NHL source with direct knowledge of the situation, those rumors could become a reality.

OTR: Will Panthers Pursue Malkin? Eichel NHL Trade Value | FHN+

 

[VijayPatel11]

How would they fit Malkin in under the cap?

The most obvious change would be trading the enigmatic Malkin, who is entering a walk year. In the past couple of years, there have been numerous rumors that Malkin would waive his no-movement clause to go to the Florida Panthers. According to one NHL source with direct knowledge of the situation, those rumors could become a reality.

OTR: Will Panthers Pursue Malkin? Eichel NHL Trade Value | FHN+

The obvious answer is to ask for 50% retention... but I don't see why we need another center, unless we want to move Bennett to the wing
But that would probably bring Bennett back to being his old Calgary self buried in the bottom 6 and unable to score points

 

[BB88]

Jarmo has no leverage here. That's why they are trading early.

They won't be able to ask for a lot, they will be left taking the best given to them.

When a player says they are walking, the team loses their leverage. Jones saying this completely f***ed them

They lose value but they won’t lose all the leverage.

They retain 50 and trade Jones at 2.7M.
Want to guess how many teams will be calling?

Honestly in 2-3 years time this is probably seen as a good thing. Forces them to build a new core, the current has major holes in it.

 

[Beezeral]

I'd send Weegar

What the heck? No

 

[radkison]

That 2013 draft had some amazing talent

 

[I am not exposed]

That 2013 draft had some amazing talent

It's actually been disappointing considering the hype it had. A lot of people were comparing it to the legendary 2003 draft. But it hasn't worked out like that.

Still, we got Barkov so I'm happy.

 

[I am not exposed]

Looking at the 2013 draft, this year we had Barkov, Verhaeghe, Duclair, and Wennberg. Very good draft class, but not legendary.

 

[Gentle Man]

What the heck? No

I think weegar is a better fit as a pair for Ekblad.

But I feel Jones would be a better 2RD than Weegar

 

[kerrabria]

How would they fit Malkin in under the cap?

The most obvious change would be trading the enigmatic Malkin, who is entering a walk year. In the past couple of years, there have been numerous rumors that Malkin would waive his no-movement clause to go to the Florida Panthers. According to one NHL source with direct knowledge of the situation, those rumors could become a reality.

OTR: Will Panthers Pursue Malkin? Eichel NHL Trade Value | FHN+

It wouldn't make any sense for the Penguins to trade Malkin. They will go for it next year, and the summer 2022 (when Malkin, Letang, Rust, and Carter hit UFA) will be when they decide to either start a hard rebuild or go through a last gasp retool.