Speculation: Official Fantasy Trade Offers/Armchair GM Thread: 2018-20 edition

[TheImpatientPanther]

If they sign, I don't think it's clear. Like I'd consider it with Cirelli. Maybe we could move out futures to re-sign Hoff by getting cheaper with Stralman? Take a look at the roster I created above; I think that's a team that could compete.

Good point but that money is hard to turn down and they likely won't see that in TB.
Both could instantly get a bigger role in FLA as well.
It is the fantasy thread after all

 

[violaswallet]

Good point but that money is hard to turn down and they likely won't see that in TB.
Both could instantly get a bigger role in FLA as well.
It is the fantasy thread after all

True haha. I priced it out. If can re-sign Wallmark (900K/2years) and Borg (800k one year) and Hunt/Brown (700K) and get Hofffman for 6.5M, we could keep Cirelli under cap It means we lose a lot in 2022 (no Vatrano, Stralman etc.)

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

True haha. I priced it out. If can re-sign Wallmark (900K/2years) and Borg (800k one year) and Hunt/Brown (700K) and get Hofffman for 6.5M, we could keep Cirelli under cap It means we lose a lot in 2022 (no Vatrano, Stralman etc.)

We may lose one of Vatrano/Connolly to SEA anyhow.
Rather lose Connolly over Vatrano though. RW depth is better than LW right now.

Can you post the Capfriendly roster with Cirelli and Hoff? Please and Thank you.

 

[violaswallet]

We may lose one of Vatrano/Connolly to SEA anyhow.
Rather lose Connolly over Vatrano though. RW depth is better than LW right now.

Can you post the Capfriendly roster with Cirelli and Hoff? Please and Thank you.

I was doing it and made a mistake with capfirneldy haha.

It worked out but was exactly at the limit and required like Hunt and Brown to take league minimum.

 

[violaswallet]

Actually requires us to do a 21 man roster, so doesn't work. My bad.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Actually requires us to do a 21 man roster, so doesn't work. My bad.

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$379 in cap space, well done amigo.
The accountants on this board would be proud.

 

[violaswallet]

$379 in cap space, well done amigo.

It's doable I guess if we trade off Stralman for a cheaper replacement with a pick? Or do my dream trade of Yandle for Ghost straight up haha.

 

[batting1k]

 

[violaswallet]

Fan or no fan?

 

[MillarWithASave]

Actually requires us to do a 21 man roster, so doesn't work. My bad.

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Getting Cirelli would be a huge addition for this team, but not upgrading our D is still leaving a LOT to be desired.

 

[violaswallet]

Getting Cirelli would be a huge addition for this team, but not upgrading our D is still leaving a LOT to be desired.

How do you upgrade defense this year? I don't see any moves for us that make sense to be honest. Sergachev is not going to be traded.

 

[FrolikFan67]

Use that sceviour money on Frolik now he liked it here, played under Q in Chicago, won’t get much this season no matter where he goes, and provides support on the pk like sceviour did. They’ll probably re-sign wallmark.

We still have Connolly and vatrano on the wings, see if they keep them, and then just what to they do at center. I prefer Acciari on the wing but if they need him at center then we may see that too

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[KW]

I definitely would not go after Johnson. He’s on a downward path, it’s pretty clear in the playoffs.

I’m also dubious of the amount people are willing to give Cirelli. Holy crap. I don’t think he’s worth $6M+.

 

[violaswallet]

I definitely would not go after Johnson. He’s on a downward path, it’s pretty clear in the playoffs.

I’m also dubious of the amount people are willing to give Cirelli. Holy crap. I don’t think he’s worth $6M+.

I disagree: he's one of the best 2C options and he should be cheap after these playoffs; he should be fine if we can give him routine partners which is his problem in TB I think...

 

[violaswallet]

Use that sceviour money on Frolik now he liked it here, played under Q in Chicago, won’t get much this season no matter where he goes, and provides support on the pk like sceviour did. They’ll probably re-sign wallmark.

We still have Connolly and vatrano on the wings, see if they keep them, and then just what to they do at center. I prefer Acciari on the wing but if they need him at center then we may see that too

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Wallmark is certainly resigned. I doubt that Denisenko plays immediately now. What would you do for center?

 

[KW]

I disagree: he's one of the best 2C options and he should be cheap after these playoffs; he should be fine if we can give him routine partners which is his problem in TB I think...

Johnson? No. Just no. I was a huge fan (when it comes to opposing teams players) when he was younger.... maybe it’s injuries, maybe it’s age, maybe it’s his past physical play.... but he’s lost a step for sure. He’s not a 2C. My opinion, based on my observations, confirmed during these playoffs.

 

[FrolikFan67]

Wallmark is certainly resigned. I doubt that Denisenko plays immediately now. What would you do for center?

Tbh that’s really hard to answer. They’ll find centers for the bottom-6 between wallmark, possibly Acciari, or even a signing. Something like Derek Grant I think would be a good add down there. But 2C? I have no idea, probably trade for a vet that makes more than he should with only a year or two left. This free agency sucks for centers, there’s nothing. They’ll probably get a stop gap there for a season or two. Maybe one of the nashville centers could be had at a good price

 

[violaswallet]

Tbh that’s really hard to answer. They’ll find centers for the bottom-6 between wallmark, possibly Acciari, or even a signing. Something like Derek Grant I think would be a good add down there. But 2C? I have no idea, probably trade for a vet that makes more than he should with only a year or two left. This free agency sucks for centers, there’s nothing. They’ll probably get a stop gap there for a season or two

That's kind of how I arrived at Johnson. Apart from the TBL trio, there's only Turris available plus say Haula/Galy. I think the TBL trio could make sense, say if we offer to take Killorn+Johnson/Gourde for a first, especially once an offer sheet comes...

Edit: For the nashville guys, I only see Turris available and his contract is a shade better than Matheson's: 4 years for 6M. I think clearly Johnson's is better.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I definitely would not go after Johnson. He’s on a downward path, it’s pretty clear in the playoffs.

I’m also dubious of the amount people are willing to give Cirelli. Holy crap. I don’t think he’s worth $6M+.

2018-19:
19 goals, 20 assists, 39pts in 82 GP (0.475 points per game)
14 ESG, 5 SHG, 1 PP point
32 of those 39pts at ES

He averaged 11:50 mins at ES, :17 seconds on PP, 2:42 on PK, 14:50 total TOI

2019-20:
16 goals, 28 assists, 44 pts in 68 GP (0.647 points per game) *53pt pace if he played 82 games*
14 ESG, 1 SHG, 5 PP points
37 of those 44pts at ES (in around 30th among all C's this year)

He averaged 14:43 mins at ES, :57 seconds on PP, 2:48 on the PK, 18:27 total TOI

Left side is 2018-29, right side is 2019-20

You pair him with some decent enough players, bump up his PP time eventually and he has a shot at improving to 50+pts as a 2C.
You're paying for a blossoming 2 way C who could put up 50 points, mostly at ES and is a work horse on the PK and emerging elite defense 5 on 5.
Just turned 23 back in July.

 

[KW]

2018-19:
19 goals, 20 assists, 39pts in 82 GP (0.475 points per game)
14 ESG, 5 SHG, 1 PP point
32 of those 39pts at ES

He averaged 11:50 mins at ES, :17 seconds on PP, 2:42 on PK, 14:50 total TOI

2019-20:
16 goals, 28 assists, 44 pts in 68 GP (0.647 points per game) *53pt pace if he played 82 games*
14 ESG, 1 SHG, 5 PP points
37 of those 44pts at ES (in around 30th among all C's this year)

He averaged 14:43 mins at ES, :57 seconds on PP, 2:48 on the PK, 18:27 total TOI

Left side is 2018-29, right side is 2019-20
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You pair him with some decent enough players, bump up his PP time eventually and he has a shot at improving to 50+pts as a 2C.
You're paying for a blossoming 2 way C who could put up 50 points, mostly at ES and is a work horse on the PK and emerging elite defense 5 on 5.
Just turned 23 back in July.

Yeah, the stats are pretty good, my argument is about the price. Also, following all the Lightning PO games, he had moments (scoring an important goal against the Bruins and the series clincher against the Isles) but he’s not really someone who can create a lot, maybe he’s on the verge. Good player, but again, price sticker is the main issue and expectation of a super 2C... I’m not there yet on Cirelli.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Yeah, the stats are pretty good, my argument is about the price. Also, following all the Lightning PO games, he had moments (scoring an important goal against the Bruins and the series clincher against the Isles) but he’s not really someone who can create a lot, maybe he’s on the verge. Good player, but again, price sticker is the main issue and expectation of a super 2C... I’m not there yet on Cirelli.

Only said $6.5 mil as that's the threshold before you go into a 1st, 2nd and 3rd compensation and I agree, he isnt worth $6.5+

Even coming closer to $5.5 mil per would give TB problems as Serg is gonna need at least $4.5 mil on a 2yr bridge. Cernak is also due but won't get a huge raise.

They'd have to move Killorn and maybe one of TJ/Gourde/Palat to fit both of them

Zito would be a god around here if he pulled that off.

 

[MintyFresh88]

Aaron Portzline is saying CLB may be considering a buyout for the struggling Wennberg...if it happens, I wonder if Zito will be interested? We have a similar guy in Wallmark, though, so may not make sense.

 

[Pigge]

Aaron Portzline is saying CLB may be considering a buyout for the struggling Wennberg...if it happens, I wonder if Zito will be interested? We have a similar guy in Wallmark, though, so may not make sense.

Wennberg could still be a good 2C and would be a great signing if he is cheaper. He has skills that Torts can't make the most of, but he also has the attitude to still get a spot on Torts' team.

 

[RainingRats]

I def don't want Wallmark back. He brings nothing.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I def don't want Wallmark back. He brings nothing.

He's pretty solid defensively no? Decent bottom 6 option and versatile.
Can play wing or C.
Don't think he will get a huge raise and likely a 2 yr deal, doesn't block any of our C prospects long term.