Speculation: Official bad Lightning team is bad thread
- Thread starter These Are The Days
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Does anyone else think that maybe Brenden Morrow got into everyone's head with that, "You might never make it back" stuff?
LightningStrikes
Champa Bay Lightning
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Just when you seem things are going forward, we take steps back or have one of our worst games of the season. Not even TKO can save us this year from this hot mess.
The idea of TKO as some magical combination is a joke. They had a good run but it's over with.
You have 4x top notch offensive talents (Johnson, Palat, Stamkos, Kuch) that should be able to work with each other and be supplemented by good role players like Killorn and Callahan.
Instead you have a system where NOBODY can get anything going. NOTHING.
AlphaCatalyst
Elite Fan
This team is so painful to watch, At least if we were losing in back and forth open games it would be one thing, but watching them lose in such a boring fashion makes it even more excruciating.
If this team is going to succeed moving forward TKO has to be broken up, it's not a question anymore, they cannot be the only scoring line but have also struggled this season even when healthy.
Somewhere up in Syracuse there is a Jonathan Drouin rubbing his hands together with an evil smirk saying "excellent"
I think it's already too late for that. Drouin wants off this team. He's a prideful guy and I really wouldn't want to stay in Tampa either if I were him.
Yeah I agree I think the Drouin ship has sailed, and Stamkos is at the port waiting to take off as well. Not a good time for this team .
Stamkos can not facilitate plays on his own (obviously!!), but there aren't many people ALIVE that can finish them like he can. He has half a decade of proof including post injury, crap ass play last year where he still finished 2nd in goals.
The point is, I agree with D2B thay TKO needs to be split up. You can't have your top goal scorer NOT play with the 3 most talents forwards on your team...sounds ludicrous.
Should have never broke up the Names / Stammer / Kuch line. It might not have been lighting the world on fire but it WAS working.
Names / Stammer / Kuch
Palat / Johnson / xxxxxx
There's your two scoring lines. Idiot.
The point is, I agree with D2B thay TKO needs to be split up. You can't have your top goal scorer NOT play with the 3 most talents forwards on your team...sounds ludicrous.
Should have never broke up the Names / Stammer / Kuch line. It might not have been lighting the world on fire but it WAS working.
Names / Stammer / Kuch
Palat / Johnson / xxxxxx
There's your two scoring lines. Idiot.
Would go with...
Vladdy - Stamkos - Kucherov
Palat - Johnson - Callahan
Killorn - Flip - JAM
Paquette - Boyle - Brown/Condra
Killorn and Flip, and Stamkos have the worst numbers on the team 5 on 5, why they are all on the top line getting the most mins is beyond me.
Victhor Ollesson
Registered User
I feel like Cooper really overthinks constructing lines, and ends up outsmarting himself. He has duos with good chemistry that he can build around, like Palat-Johnson-XXX, and XXX-Filppula-Callahan. Also, I agree with Peter on the line mentioned above. When healthy, would like to see something like:
Stamkos-Namestnikov-Kucherov
Palat-Johnson-Brown/JAM
Killorn-Filppula-Callahan
Paquette-Boyle-Brown/JAM
Stamkos-Namestnikov-Kucherov
Palat-Johnson-Brown/JAM
Killorn-Filppula-Callahan
Paquette-Boyle-Brown/JAM
Like I said last week
Palat - Johnson - Callahan
Filppula - Namestinikov - Kucherov
Killorn - Stamkos - Brown
Paquette - Boyle - Marchessault
Condra
If teams try to stop the Johnson line then either Kucherov or Stamkos' line will get better match ups to exploit. If they try to stop Stamkos then Johnson and Kucherov, it makes the most sense to split things up and keep pairs that work well together.
Palat - Johnson - Callahan
Filppula - Namestinikov - Kucherov
Killorn - Stamkos - Brown
Paquette - Boyle - Marchessault
Condra
If teams try to stop the Johnson line then either Kucherov or Stamkos' line will get better match ups to exploit. If they try to stop Stamkos then Johnson and Kucherov, it makes the most sense to split things up and keep pairs that work well together.
The idea sounds good, but you know they are not going to relate to a line with Stamkos on it as the 3rd line, because he is Steven Stamkos. Coop could lower the mins of that line and give them 3rd line mins, instead of giving that line the most mins, and keep getting pinned in their own zone. If Bishop was not having a good game last night, we would of easily lost like 7 something.
If Drouin had been properly groomed, it wouldn't be necessary to break up TKO, because we'd have a playmaker to play with Stamkos. Unfortunately, we're going to wind up with the worst of both worlds, because Stamkos is going to play out the year with grinders, playing like junk.
These Are The Days
Oh no! We suck again!!
#CoopTactics
We sat back A LOT last year. The GDT threads were full of gloom and doom because of the way we played 3rd periods. Most of the time we had a lead.
LightningStrikes
Champa Bay Lightning
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We won more games than we deserved by blowing leads in the 2nd and 3rd only to come back in the final 5 minutes with some ridiculous performances mostly by TKO last season. #tactics
These Are The Days
Oh no! We suck again!!
Oh I remember it well but it was NEVER like this. The other teams would fight back as we expect them to but we managed to deal with it. We were far and away the best 3rd period team in the NHL last year. If we were up it was good as over for the other team. We still played hungry. But we get a lead now and it's like watching game 1 of the SCF all over again.
The jig is up and the NHL has us figured out. If we make the playoffs we are gonna get killed.
Lord Stan 2020
Elite fan
We didn't play hungry. We capitalized, yes, if given an opportunity, but we played a complete shutdown game and didn't try to force anything. Pretty much the same thing we do now, except we were better at it last year. And we were a LOT better at capitalizing when given an opportunity. But it wasn't like we were driving the play. We basically would go into a shell, and our board would have a meltdown about how we're "sitting back" or "getting lazy."
People see last year through rose colored glasses because the result was so good. The process was often pretty messy though. The process for any winning team is often messy, full of peaks and valleys, etc. A lot of people remember Victor Hedman being a beast last year, for instance. He was--in the playoffs, and in his first 7(?) games, before the injury. Hedman did not have a good regular season. He's been far, far better this year.
But the biggest difference between this year and last is TKO. (I'm optimistic though, that now that we have two actual, real, legit scoring lines, we can get this train back on track. ...Now we just have to find a suitable replacement for Killer on the 2nd line.)
Is it coincidence that they started playing better and winning when Drouin got sent down? Makes you wonder. Palat coming back also is a big factor, imo but even with him healthy earlier in the season we were still struggling.
I think it has a lot more to do with Palat. It's his line that's sparking the team, as always. Having him healthy and playing his A-game has done wonders.
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