Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt V: Spring(er) has Sprung: Jays sign OF George Springer (6y/$150m)

[Man Bear Pig]

Sign Brantley and Realmuto.

Trade Grichuk + Jansen for pitching.

Realmuto turned down 5 years $100 million from the Phillies. I cant see us topping that.

 

[Cloned]

Realmuto turned down 5 years $100 million from the Phillies. I cant see us topping that.

How much money do you figure we have left to spend this offseason?

 

[Nineteen67]

Springer - 134 career wRC+
Donaldson - 139 career wRC+

Springer is one of the best players in the league.

And if he turns out to be as good as Wells I’d be happy with it.

 

[613Leafer]

How much money do you figure we have left to spend this offseason?

Assuming Springer's contract is frontloaded, the Jays payroll is probably sitting around $105-110M right now.

If fans were in attendance, I think they'd be willing to go up to ~$150M. Without fans, it's hard to say. Trades might be more likely than a big signing, as we could move money like Grichuk out in that case. Or possibly a big signing, but with us trying to dump salary elsewhere in a trade.

 

[Discoverer]

And if he turns out to be as good as Wells I’d be happy with it.

Yeah, peak Wells was a really good player, and if the Jays got peak Wells value (around a 4 WAR player over a multi-year stretch) that would be awesome. I'm just saying Springer has been quite a bit better than that so far in his career, particularly offensively.

 

[BlueForever75]

Realmuto turned down 5 years $100 million from the Phillies. I cant see us topping that.

I can. Offer him 5 years at 110 with team option for a 6 year.

We signed Martin for what we did. Cost of doing business has gone up. Realmuto is a better catcher as well.

Signing him will bring starters to Toronto. He is one of the best receivers if not best in the league.

 

[Gargyn]

I’m seeing Brantley signing here along with Odorizzi and then I see a trade of Tellez and prospects for Bryant and Hendricks.

Ryu-Hendricks-Odorizzi-Pearson-Ray

CF Springer
2B Biggio
SS Bichette
RF Hernandez
DH Brantley
3B Bryant
1B Guerrero
LF Gurriel
C Jansen

 

[Man Bear Pig]

How much money do you figure we have left to spend this offseason?

Right now it looks like around $115 million after signing Springer. I could very well be wrong on that though. If they dump Grichuk that clears a bit over $9 million a year. IIRC they're looking to spend up to $175 million on payroll. So even if you don't subtract Grichuks contract, that's still plenty of money to sign Brantley, Paxton and trade for an expensive starter. As much as I like Realmuto, hes pushing 30 and plays a position that doesnt age well. I think the money could be better spent elsewhere.

 

[Cloned]

Right now it looks like around $115 million after signing Springer. I could very well be wrong on that though. If they dump Grichuk that clears a bit over $9 million a year. IIRC they're looking to spend up to $175 million on payroll. So even if you don't subtract Grichuks contract, that's still plenty of money to sign Brantley, Paxton and trade for an expensive starter. As much as I like Realmuto, hes pushing 30 and plays a position that doesnt age well. I think the money could be better spent elsewhere.

They could pretty easily sign Realmuto and Brantley IMO if the upper range is 175M.

 

[LeafChief]

I’m seeing Brantley signing here along with Odorizzi and then I see a trade of Tellez and prospects for Bryant and Hendricks.

Ryu-Hendricks-Odorizzi-Pearson-Ray

CF Springer
2B Biggio
SS Bichette
RF Hernandez
DH Brantley
3B Bryant
1B Guerrero
LF Gurriel
C Jansen

Tellez holds that kind of value? Or are you talking about giving up good prospects?

 

[GoonieFace]

Still like the idea of Gray and Suarez from Cincinnati. If they can swing a deal like that, it would be epic.

 

[Gargyn]

Tellez holds that kind of value? Or are you talking about giving up good prospects?

I’m thinking solid B level guys. Orelvis Martinez maybe as the “headliner”, Kloffenstein, Pardinho, Smith etc

 

[theaub]

I can't see the Jays shooting right up to 175M. Realistically the 175M will be in a couple years and at that point the younger guys will be hitting arbitration.

 

[BAM]

I’m thinking solid B level guys. Orelvis Martinez maybe as the “headliner”, Kloffenstein, Pardinho, Smith etc

I highly doubt the Jays give up a top 100 prospect for 1 year of Bryant and Hendricks.

 

[canucksfan]

I can't see the Jays shooting right up to 175M. Realistically the 175M will be in a couple years and at that point the younger guys will be hitting arbitration.

I am thinking that as well. Jays would have to overpay for Realmuto and with the catching depth they have, he's not an extreme need. I really think Jansen will be much better offensively next year.

I do think the Jays will add pieces via FA or even trade but I don't think they will add a huge FA piece.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I can. Offer him 5 years at 110 with team option for a 6 year.

We signed Martin for what we did. Cost of doing business has gone up. Realmuto is a better catcher as well.

Signing him will bring starters to Toronto. He is one of the best receivers if not best in the league.

Realmuto isn't a better catcher than Martin was. Martin was a 6.2 WAR catcher when he signed here. Realmuto is close to that, but let's not pretend he's better. Cost of doing business has gone up, sure, but when guys like Bauer are still out there, that's where you overpay IMO. The catcher position is a strength already. I'm not saying dont sign Realmuto, I just cant see Atkins topping the Phillies offer for a catcher pushing 30 for $20 million a year when there's 3 or 4 cheap options in the system.

 

[Gargyn]

I highly doubt the Jays give up a top 100 prospect for 1 year of Bryant and Hendricks.

Hendricks still has a few years left, no? Maybe I’m wrong. If not switch out Martinez for Jimenez or De Castro.

 

[theaub]

If the Bauer market is dead I've love the Jays to try to get in at 2/65 or something.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I really don't see the point in sinking the kind of money Realmuto will command into him at this point. The only time he made sense to me was in the scenario that we struck out on the other big names. We got Springer, our lineup is deep we can fully afford to let our young catchers develop and not sink resources into that position. Sign a couple starters and maybe another cheaper bat. Keeps some flexibility going forward.

 

[canucksfan]

If the Bauer market is dead I've love the Jays to try to get in at 2/65 or something.

I would be fine with that. I am not a fan of signing Bauer to a huge contract with length.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

They could pretty easily sign Realmuto and Brantley IMO if the upper range is 175M.

That doesnt mean they'll go right to $175 million though. They arent the Yankees or Dodgers who can just spend with no consequences. Ryu and Springer were signed because they were huge needs. Realmuto isn't.

 

[BAM]

Hendricks still has a few years left, no? Maybe I’m wrong. If not switch out Martinez for Jimenez or De Castro.

The Padres have shown you don't need to trade your best prospects to improve your rotation. The Jays prospect pool is slightly worse than the Padres but still top 3 in baseball imo. Unless it's for Castillo I'd refrain from moving Martin, Groshans, Martinez, SWR or Kirk

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Hendricks still has a few years left, no? Maybe I’m wrong. If not switch out Martinez for Jimenez or De Castro.

He has 4 years on his contract at around 14 million per.

 

[Cloned]

That doesnt mean they'll go right to $175 million though. They arent the Yankees or Dodgers who can just spend with no consequences. Ryu and Springer were signed because they were huge needs. Realmuto isn't.

I like Jansen but C is a need based on the performance over the last two seasons.

 

[SDig14]

I think Realmuto was.alwaya a last resort plan. Springer seemed to be the #1 target and while they liked Kim, Hendricks, Lindor, etc., they had a price in those guys and didn't overpay to get them.

From the start guys like Shi have said their plan was to get an impact bat at a premium position of need. Check.

I think they turn their focus now to the rotation and finish off the pen. Either it is Bauer or perhaps 2 of Odorizzi, Tanaka, Walker, etc.

Still need to sign an infielder, preferably one that can play 3B too, so maybe that's Semien or Turner. Don't live Vlad or Biggio there, but if they do then maybe they target Didi or Wong instead.

A trade could be possible too to address the SP, 3B or both in the same deal, but I'm sure they'd keep prospects before cash.

Signing Brantley as a LH hitter is a game changer just due to roster spots. Even if Gurriel moves to RF and Teo is a full time DH and Vlad a full time 1B, you still have zero room then for Teller or Grichuk except for guys getting days off. Seems if they add another OFer there is a subsequent trade coming.