Speculation: OEL trade speculation megathread

[Canucks LB]

I will laugh pretty hard if were all so far off.

The deal is like OEL for 2nd rounder in 2021 | Troy Stetcher | Jake Virtanen and 1.25m Retained for a few years.
That would be pretty funny overall.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

I will laugh pretty hard if were all so far off.

The deal is like OEL for 2nd rounder in 2021 | Troy Stetcher | Jake Virtanen and 1.25m Retained for a few years.
That would be pretty funny overall.

There’s more of a chance of Podkolzin being involved in the trade than that being the final deal imo

 

[JohnHodgson]

if OEL is acquired he is the heir of Edler..contract aside a 30 year old OEL is better than a 35 year old Edler...
Podkolzin/Hoglander will likely come in to replace Sutter/Pearson...Benn..well he'll be replaced by one of the kids so yes their spots will be improved...

the opportunity cost is a different matter its a rich cap hit but if you can move an anchor contract like Sutter/Beagle/Roussel/LE then you are improving on that position in the NOW and then he will just be filling in Edler's shoes going forward

Canucks window starts in less than 3-4 years..in 3-4 years i would argue the window may be closing because that's when Boeser/Miller/Horvat all need to be resigned and at this rate its going to be more than the $6M per AAV they currently have

OEL in theory makes a lot of sense as to replace Edler as the #2LD, but it’s the contract that is the issue - not the player.

Like I said, Eriksson minimum has to be part of the deal. Sutter and Baertschi are barely cap dumps with one year left. Roussel is not a bad player given his contract, I wouldn’t see him as a cap dump. If we could package Beagle and Eriksson, this would be optimal.

Hughes and Petey are 20/21, the window is most certainly not closing in 3-4 years, that’s when they will be in their prime.

The only way this deal makes sense for the Canucks is if Eriksson is part of the deal and if we can get OEL on discount. Otherwise, I’ll be happy to stay away from that contract. It’s tracking to be one of the worst contracts in 4/5 years.

If the asking price is too high, I’d rather sign Barrie and keep my first round pick and prospects.

 

[JohnHodgson]

I will laugh pretty hard if were all so far off.

The deal is like OEL for 2nd rounder in 2021 | Troy Stetcher | Jake Virtanen and 1.25m Retained for a few years.
That would be pretty funny overall.

If Bill Armstrong wants to get fired before he even started, this would be the way.

 

[JohnHodgson]

I don't know what you were watching, but I saw offensive stars on the Canucks having their coming out party and that is why the team had success.

Horvat became known around the league, Pettersson and Hughes made big noise.

Markstrom was important, but he didn't carry the team.

Except he did - he was the team MVP and had a vezina-calibre season.

Offensive stars don’t mean anything if you don't have defense or goaltending, ask Edmonton.

If we lose Markstrom, there should be no incentive to go all-in.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Edlers contract ends after NEXT season

He’ll resign a one year deal if he’s still decent

 

[JAK]

Except he did - he was the team MVP and had a vezina-calibre season.

Offensive stars don’t mean anything if you don't have defense or goaltending, ask Edmonton.

If we lose Markstrom, there should be no incentive to go all-in.

It's a perfect time to lose Markstrom, Demko can grow with the young core.

As for all-in, that depends if the OEL trade goes through, and what the actual trade is.

If the trade goes through, I think most Canucks fans would be happy about what would be shipped out.

 

[_Del_]

AZ liking Boston prospects more stood out to me. I wonder what missing piece from Boston is holding things up. If it’s Studnicka, I don’t think the Bruins are really in this any more. If it’s Beecher, I might take up smoking again thinking about it. Anyone else? Just pull the trigger Sweeney.

Perhaps the Bruins are not willing to part with the 2021 first after dealing away 2018 and 2020.

There are multiple guys from Boston that I like every bit as much as any of the "untouchable" Vancouver pieces. And Boston probably isn't asking us to take monstrously bad cap.
I doubt it's Studnicka, but the big centers like Beech, Frederic. Guys like Lauzon I think are underrated. Carlo, obviously, who I think is a little overrated based on skimming the B's board, but is better than Lauzon regardless. Vaakanainen is an interesting guy.
Then there is a pool of guys ready to push for spots or near ready that I'm not particularly high on, but it's possible Armstrong and co are (Zboril, Senyshyn, etc) and who Boston probably has no problem moving in the right deal.
And when it comes to moving roster money, taking guys like Ritchie, Wagner, and even Moore is way more palatable than the Vancouver pure dumps. It also fits with what Armstrong said he'd like to do remodeling the bottom-six.
If we're taking a pile of "stuff" and taking roster money, it's far easier to make a deal with Boston.
Having said that, it sounds like Benning really wants to move OEL and terrible contracts. If he's motivated enough to put the right guys on the table, maybe that gets done.

Or it all falls apart and we keep our defenseman.

 

[Scintillating10]

Rask to Calgary for their 1st, OEL to Boston for Flames pick and a prospect?

Everybody gets want they want. Boston gets OEL, Flames get their goalie. Arizona moves ton of cap.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Rask to Calgary for their 1st, OEL to Boston for Flames pick and a prospect?

Everybody gets want they want. Boston gets OEL, Flames get their goalie. Arizona moves ton of cap.

OEL doesn’t get what he wants

 

[Horton Hears A Woo]

There are multiple guys from Boston that I like every bit as much as any of the "untouchable" Vancouver pieces. And Boston probably isn't asking us to take monstrously bad cap.
I doubt it's Studnicka, but the big centers like Beech, Frederic. Guys like Lauzon I think are underrated. Carlo, obviously, who I think is a little overrated based on skimming the B's board, but is better than Lauzon regardless. Vaakanainen is an interesting guy.
Then there is a pool of guys ready to push for spots or near ready that I'm not particularly high on, but it's possible Armstrong and co are (Zboril, Senyshyn, etc) and who Boston probably has no problem moving in the right deal.
And when it comes to moving roster money, taking guys like Ritchie, Wagner, and even Moore is way more palatable than the Vancouver pure dumps. It also fits with what Armstrong said he'd like to do remodeling the bottom-six.
If we're taking a pile of "stuff" and taking roster money, it's far easier to make a deal with Boston.
Having said that, it sounds like Benning really wants to move OEL and terrible contracts. If he's motivated enough to put the right guys on the table, maybe that gets done.

Or it all falls apart and we keep our defenseman.

Yea Carlo is over rated... come on man have you watched him play?

 

[_Del_]

Yea Carlo is over rated... come on man have you watched him play?

I didn't say he was bad. He's a great young player. 30 other teams would love to add the guy, including Arizona. I just think Boston fans are overrating him. Some of you guys talk about him like a franchise player, and I don't see it.
I think Schmaltz is incredibly overrated by Coyotes fans. I don't think he's a bad player. He's probably the most talented forward on the roster. He's just not what some of the guys on our board think/hope he is.

 

[BB88]

I didn't say he was bad. He's a great young player. 30 other teams would love to add the guy, including Arizona. I just think Boston fans are overrating him. Some of you guys talk about him like a franchise player, and I don't see it.
I think Schmaltz is incredibly overrated by Coyotes fans. I don't think he's a bad player. He's probably the most talented forward on the roster. He's just not what some of the guys on our board think/hope he is.

Absolutely nobody talks him as franchise player.

People are looking at him as quality shutdown #2RD

 

[Mick Riddleton]

OEL doesn’t get what he wants

He wants either Boston or Vancouver, so going to Boston is what he wants in this scenario.

 

[wintersej]

I didn't say he was bad. He's a great young player. 30 other teams would love to add the guy, including Arizona. I just think Boston fans are overrating him. Some of you guys talk about him like a franchise player, and I don't see it.
I think Schmaltz is incredibly overrated by Coyotes fans. I don't think he's a bad player. He's probably the most talented forward on the roster. He's just not what some of the guys on our board think/hope he is.

With Carlo is about team building not how good he is on an island. You see how many Cup winners have a Parayko or hjalmarsson or whatever and it’s easy to project Carlo into that role as he matures and McAvoy into the Keith/Alex P role as he matures and it’s hard to break that up. While we focus on Krug leaving being bad for the PP, my oh my will it be good for Carlo. Carlo wasn’t good in the return to play this year, but when COVID hit, man was he starting to really look the part. He isn’t realistically untouchable like McAvoy, but it’s close just because he is so critical to how they have designed the team. To move Carlo it would have to be a slam dunk.

 

[DarthProbert]

I don't think teams with an open window score it that way. They already are moving on from Krug for various reasons. He seems destined to be overpaid somewhere else. So you have to either overpay the shit out of him or let him walk. Even then, he may be super enticed by the open market, leaving you scrambling. He's basically gone.

So what then? Realistically, there's nobody readily available in trade as good as OEL. FA market isn't really an answer. Certainly not a definitive one. You have a limited amount of roster spots/development bandwidth on defense. OEL will probably have his best 3-5 years of his career in Boston. Most teams are not going to want to take someone like Moore back the other way even if they trade you a good 2nd pair guy.

It seems like a no brainer to me if the intention is to compete next year. You're not going to miss those assets. Different story if you are rebuilding and/or the timing isn't right. Boston three years from now would not make that trade if you put OEL in stasis.

Kuemper you might be able to get in the deal for DeBrusk 1 for 1, not as an upgrade on Beecher. Coyotes also have Hall's rights if it comes to that as well.

Supposedly Sergachev might be available. Whether TB wants him in Boston, and what the cost would be, are other matters entirely of course.

 

[Fatass]

He wants either Boston or Vancouver, so going to Boston is what he wants in this scenario.

I sure hope you’re right, because (as a Canuck’s fan) I believe it’s a HUGE mistake to acquire OEL.

 

[wintersej]

I don't think teams with an open window score it that way. They already are moving on from Krug for various reasons. He seems destined to be overpaid somewhere else. So you have to either overpay the shit out of him or let him walk. Even then, he may be super enticed by the open market, leaving you scrambling. He's basically gone.

So what then? Realistically, there's nobody readily available in trade as good as OEL. FA market isn't really an answer. Certainly not a definitive one. You have a limited amount of roster spots/development bandwidth on defense. OEL will probably have his best 3-5 years of his career in Boston. Most teams are not going to want to take someone like Moore back the other way even if they trade you a good 2nd pair guy.

It seems like a no brainer to me if the intention is to compete next year. You're not going to miss those assets. Different story if you are rebuilding and/or the timing isn't right. Boston three years from now would not make that trade if you put OEL in stasis.

Kuemper you might be able to get in the deal for DeBrusk 1 for 1, not as an upgrade on Beecher. Coyotes also have Hall's rights if it comes to that as well.

I also think you are overplaying OEL being a unique asset. Bruins issue has been scoring not D. Hall, Dadonov, etc can be had asset free and solve a more immediate issue. Bumping Gryz up to Krug’s spot and using Krug’s money on a forward not only is an alternative, it might be a far better move.

 

[oceanchild]

All of it.



The Coyotes are under their cash budget for this season and every subsequent season.

There is no mandate to cut salary, and no mandate to clear out OEL's 'super scary total contract number I'm going to continually repeat because I don't understand amortization'.

If you are going to give salary to a player, a top pairing D is as good a place as any. Certainly better than the $20m in bad contracts and dead money the Canucks have this year, as an example.

not sure how your so confident that there is no direction to clear salary, you could have some info i haven’t seen. As a CPA, I understand budgets and Amortization really well. Yes restriction of cash flow from continuing operation of both the casino business and the gate receipts is likely to result in a change in operating budget in the near term. Second if the amortization comment is ment to imply that the whole contract has been paid and this is a non cash transaction of booking that past expense, you would be incorrect. The contract cash expense goes up substantially next year.

 

[Coach Parker]

There are multiple guys from Boston that I like every bit as much as any of the "untouchable" Vancouver pieces. And Boston probably isn't asking us to take monstrously bad cap.
I doubt it's Studnicka, but the big centers like Beech, Frederic. Guys like Lauzon I think are underrated. Carlo, obviously, who I think is a little overrated based on skimming the B's board, but is better than Lauzon regardless. Vaakanainen is an interesting guy.
Then there is a pool of guys ready to push for spots or near ready that I'm not particularly high on, but it's possible Armstrong and co are (Zboril, Senyshyn, etc) and who Boston probably has no problem moving in the right deal.
And when it comes to moving roster money, taking guys like Ritchie, Wagner, and even Moore is way more palatable than the Vancouver pure dumps. It also fits with what Armstrong said he'd like to do remodeling the bottom-six.
If we're taking a pile of "stuff" and taking roster money, it's far easier to make a deal with Boston.
Having said that, it sounds like Benning really wants to move OEL and terrible contracts. If he's motivated enough to put the right guys on the table, maybe that gets done.

Or it all falls apart and we keep our defenseman.

Well said. The absolute worst contract the Bruins have is Moore and he's a better contract than any of the dumps from Vancouver as he is under 3.0 million and a NHL defenseman.

Zboril, Vaakanianen and Lauzon are NHL ready with upside. They will be on the Bruins roster this year. Studnicka is the real deal and our best prospect so I don't think that he would be included but stranger things have happened.

No bad dumps from Boston. Prospects, a contract (Ritchie or Moore) that will play in the bottom six along with those NHL ready prospects and a pick. Vancouver would really have to put a good offer on the table to sweeten the deal to make Arizona want to take on one of those bad contracts, but then again we are all purely speculating here.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Well said. The absolute worst contract the Bruins have is Moore and he's a better contract than any of the dumps from Vancouver as he is under 3.0 million and a NHL defenseman.

Moore is signed for three more years though. Brandon Sutter and Sven Baertschi for example are both signed for one more season, could go to Arizona and fill a role this season, and be flipped for a pick at the trade deadline. That isn't happening with John Moore.

 

[BCNate]

I Think the biggest factor here will be motivation. Boston can go after a Ufa like pietrangelo without giving up any assets and will be on a similar deal. The Canucks can’t, they need the cap dump piece to make this work.

bruins can put a better deal on the table, but the question is if they want to, or do you go after some one else in Ufa as an add instead.
Canucks would be pretty motivated to turn the last two years of LE into OEL, but how strong a deal will they put out there knowing that there are only two places that OEL will go.

I feel the only way we can dump LE is by adding Rathbone. My gut is that JB steps up and gets it done today.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Do we see a conclusion on this OEL trade situation in the next 24-72hrs? Or will this drag on into the offseason?

 

[_Del_]

he starting to really look the par

He definitely has that kind of upside. I just don't think he's there, and I'm not sure he gets thede. He needs that consistency and intensity the others in that group have. He's smart and can gain consistency over time. He doesn't have to maul people, but guys like Hammer or Parayko (neither maulers exactly) are engaged and intense at a high level. And that's not usually something which guys "develop" . I think he's just as or more likely to end up a rung below that-- which is still a top four D and valuable player. Just my personal opinion.

Studnicka is the real deal and our best prospect so I don't think that he would be included but stranger things have happened.

I doubt it, too. Mostly because your current centers have high miles on them currently, and he's too close to ready to step in to help. But Studnicka being ready and looking like the real deal might mean guys farther down the road like Beecher and Frederic have a better chance of moving. It's easier to deal them because Studnicka looks ready.

 

[RABBIT]

Do we see a conclusion on this OEL trade situation in the next 24-72hrs? Or will this drag on into the offseason?

have to imagine Vancouver will drop out by free agency so they know what they can spend their money/cap on