Post-Game Talk: Oct 12 | Jets 4 @ Canucks 2

[RandV]

What's Green supposed to say/do with this brutal line-up. It's terribly put together and stinks of poor pro-scouting. I don't like some of what he's done, but he's not sinking a contending roster here. We have a massive problem in terms of management that needs to be fixed.

I didn't see the reports/articles/interviews myself but according to other people on here apparently Green worked closely with management this offseason and given a ton of leeway to influence who we went after. In other words he's largely responsible for the push for all the vets we signed and constructing this team.

 

[WTG]

Hutton - bad
Stecher - bad

Welcome Biega-Pouliot....
Please.
Scratch either/or 27/51.

WEAK on puck battles... too many stick checks. Gross to see Virtanen sit the 3rd.
Green started so well benching the Horvat line after the Jets scored...

We will miss Edler. I dont wanna see him rushed back.. for our playoff push. Heh

Both Stecher and Hutton outplayed Gudbranson tonight.

Both should be in the lineup over Del Zotto duo to developmental reasons.


Hutton had 10 individual shot attempts tonight, was a good possession player.
Stecher also a good possession stats.

Gudbranson was awful in transition stats and possession stats. Just bad bad bad.

The Jets had 27 shot attempts at even strength against, which somehow was even worse then our shot attempts against them. But Del Zotto was on for 16 of them, He had 16 CA in a game where the jets only got 27 CA! Also, he had 84% Ozone starts.

 

[WTG]

Gudbranson needs to be scratched for Biega/Pouliot
Del Zotto needs to move down the lineup

 

[JuniorNelson]

Lots of smart analysis here. A lot of guys making solid points.

It's early days. The team needs games played to evaluate. After ten games or so, maybe they will be convinced by what they see on the ice? Some of the early indicators must be very hard to swallow, given the contracts involved. This team doesn't sit expensive guys, historically. Ferraro is right about the roster not fitting the scheme. Which is adjusted, though?

Edler out really taxes the shit out of the defense. The team is appreciably softer, too. I hope Edler isn't out very long!

Markstrom does look good. That's not unexpected. He has had a fragile confidence before. Forty shots a game might be a lot for him. Canucks cannot win with average goaltending, so that is a ton of pressure.

 

[Bleach Clean]

What's Green supposed to say/do with this brutal line-up. It's terribly put together and stinks of poor pro-scouting. I don't like some of what he's done, but he's not sinking a contending roster here. We have a massive problem in terms of management that needs to be fixed.

Agreed. I think it's too early to judge Green on the ice time distribution given to rookies/young players. Yes, he shows a tendency to rely on his vets, but that will get harder and harder to do the more the young players start to excel... Only, they haven't excelled. They haven't forced Green's hand... yet.

The real issue is that this is just a highly suspect roster. That falls on management. If the attendance trend we saw tonight continues, there's not way Benning survives the fall out. I cannot fathom how they would bring him back with another bottom5 finish, while spending to the cap, with that type of attendance. It will just make no sense.

I think ownership will bring the hammer down this offseason. Temporary pain for long-term gain.

 

[Hit the post]

Eriksson continues to play like lower line journeyman and is showing really nothing like elite skills.

Father time hit him? (which is alarming considering it's so early on his David Clarkson-lite contract).

 

[Bougieman]

Father time hit him? (which is alarming considering it's so early on his David Clarkson-lite contract).

Yeah, but the annoying thing is that Father time hit him the day he put on a Canucks Jersey. Why us?

 

[tantalum]

Maybe the issue is that they don't have the young players able to play in the NHL.

Looks around and sees Ehlers, Tkachuk, McCann and Forsling Contributing...

That's why they don't have enough young guys. It isn't an owner mandate or decision to really try to make the playoffs. It's blown draft picks and bad trades.

I also said at the time it wouldn't take long for people to see the Gagner signing was brutal. I've also never been sold on the likes of Baertschi and Granlund as being guys one can confidently move forward with

 

[BloatedGuppy]

You just hope the empty seats are becoming more and more of a sore point in the Aquamen's board meetings.

Do you trust this ownership group to read the right message in that?

And not "It's true! The fans can't tolerate a rebuild!"

 

[DL44]

You could make a 2 min video on the small things Eriksson did well last night... won A LOT of board battles and face off scrambles to keep possession... I don’t have issue with his play thus far. He was far from the problem last night.

Would be nice to have him do some big things now.

 

[Grantham]

Kind of glad I forgot to pvr this dog of a game (at least by the sounds of it)

Feeling really frustrated with the composition and direction of this team. Players like Eriksson, Gagner, and Sutter are complimentary pieces to a Championship caliber team. They are specialists that push a team slightly over the top, and are generally rotated in and out of a team on short contracts.

We are no where close to that, and these players being here on recently signed long(ish) term contracts just reinforces that this organization is a ship without a captain, sailing deep into the sea.

 

[CherryToke]

Gagner is actually worse than I expected. He is no better than Vey.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

With Edler out Pouliot can finally come in! Pair him with Tanev!

Pouliot-Tanev
Hutton-Stetcher
MDZ-Gudbranson

 

[MS]

Both Stecher and Hutton outplayed Gudbranson tonight.

Both should be in the lineup over Del Zotto duo to developmental reasons.


Hutton had 10 individual shot attempts tonight, was a good possession player.
Stecher also a good possession stats.

Gudbranson was awful in transition stats and possession stats. Just bad bad bad.

The Jets had 27 shot attempts at even strength against, which somehow was even worse then our shot attempts against them. But Del Zotto was on for 16 of them, He had 16 CA in a game where the jets only got 27 CA! Also, he had 84% Ozone starts.

Using raw corsi numbers for one game to determine effectiveness is going to lead to a lot of really bad evaluations.

You could make a 2 min video on the small things Eriksson did well last night... won A LOT of board battles and face off scrambles to keep possession... I don’t have issue with his play thus far. He was far from the problem last night.

Would be nice to have him do some big things now.

Agreed ... to an extent.

He's a very polished two-way player who does do all the little positional things right, and there's a reason he hasn't been on the ice for a GA yet this season. He's not 'hurting' the team.

But if you want a defensive winger who doesn't hurt you, you can sign Daniel Winnik for next to nothing. He's being paid $6 million to generate some offense, and I think he's had one OK scoring chance in three games (rebound PP chance against Ottawa). He's just doing absolutely nothing offensively.

 

[Cupless44]

Using raw corsi numbers for one game to determine effectiveness is going to lead to a lot of really bad evaluations.




Agreed ... to an extent.

He's a very polished two-way player who does do all the little positional things right, and there's a reason he hasn't been on the ice for a GA yet this season. He's not 'hurting' the team.

But if you want a defensive winger who doesn't hurt you, you can sign Daniel Winnik for next to nothing. He's being paid $6 million to generate some offense, and I think he's had one OK scoring chance in three games (rebound PP chance against Ottawa). He's just doing absolutely nothing offensively.

Nonshotvattemots

 

[Cupless44]

Using raw corsi numbers for one game to determine effectiveness is going to lead to a lot of really bad evaluations.




Agreed ... to an extent.

He's a very polished two-way player who does do all the little positional things right, and there's a reason he hasn't been on the ice for a GA yet this season. He's not 'hurting' the team.

But if you want a defensive winger who doesn't hurt you, you can sign Daniel Winnik for next to nothing. He's being paid $6 million to generate some offense, and I think he's had one OK scoring chance in three games (rebound PP chance against Ottawa). He's just doing absolutely nothing offensively.

Not even one shot attempt last night.

 

[M2Beezy]

That loss to such a bottom feeding team - and how boring of a game it was... losing faith folks. And factor in forsling mccann Nylander ehlers tkachuck keller mcavoy... dark days

 

[GetFocht]

I think Horvat tops out as a 2C, exactly like Kesler. He just doesn't have the playmaking ability as a 1C should but he excels in driving the play and getting good opportunities to score goals. Pettersson is the opposite in which he utilizes the players around him.

 

[Breakers]

Both Stecher and Hutton outplayed Gudbranson tonight.

Both should be in the lineup over Del Zotto duo to developmental reasons.

Hutton had 10 individual shot attempts tonight, was a good possession player.
Stecher also a good possession stats.

Gudbranson was awful in transition stats and possession stats. Just bad bad bad.

Both Stecher and Hutton definitely outplayed Gudbranson who just outright sucks. He doesn't generate offense and he sucks defensively.

But Stecher and Hutton both have work on getting the puck out of their zone. Both struggle especially Stecher at having controlled exits.

And Tanev........ I mean what a guy, this guys is an absolute BOSS in his own zone. he gets soooooo many defensive touches and he turns the puck over and gets the puck out & onto a forwards stick with ease.
Toronto who LOVES getting the puck onto their forwards stick as soon as possible would love this guy.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

I think Horvat tops out as a 2C, exactly like Kesler. He just doesn't have the playmaking ability as a 1C should but he excels in driving the play and getting good opportunities to score goals. Pettersson is the opposite in which he utilizes the players around him.

Agreed, which is why I think Dahlen will be a perfect winger for Horvat. In 2-3 years the top 6 duos should/could be Petterson-Boeser and Horvat-Dahlen. And then you have Virtanen, Goldobin, Lind, Gadjovich, Rodin and Baertschi as possible wingers to fill in for those remaining two top 6 spots

 

[M2Beezy]

I think Horvat tops out as a 2C, exactly like Kesler. He just doesn't have the playmaking ability as a 1C should but he excels in driving the play and getting good opportunities to score goals. Pettersson is the opposite in which he utilizes the players around him.

After that depressing game one of the only bright spots was Horvat. Not really sure how you find it necessary to criticize him after the disaster games by Eriksson Sutter Dorset Gudbranson etc...

 

[RandV]

The Jets had 27 shot attempts at even strength against, which somehow was even worse then our shot attempts against them. But Del Zotto was on for 16 of them, He had 16 CA in a game where the jets only got 27 CA! Also, he had 84% Ozone starts.

I didn't see the game but that's not really too surprising when after the Edler injury he played 27:46 minutes.

 

[wjr0014]

The D Pairings need to be changed and I know they will be with Edler out hurt.

However, when healthy, I believe they should look more like:

Edler-Stecher
Tanev-Hutton/Pouliot
Del Zotto-Gudbranson/Biega

This would provide more balance on our pairings.

I also think they should put Stecher back on the Power Play and take Hutton off of it.

 

[vancityluongo]

Maybe the issue is that they don't have the young players able to play in the NHL.

Looks around and sees Ehlers, Tkachuk, McCann and Forsling Contributing...

That's why they don't have enough young guys. It isn't an owner mandate or decision to really try to make the playoffs. It's blown draft picks and bad trades.

I also said at the time it wouldn't take long for people to see the Gagner signing was brutal. I've also never been sold on the likes of Baertschi and Granlund as being guys one can confidently move forward with

Ironically, the moronic age gap strategy (combined with atrocious pro and amateur scouting) has created another massive age gap. Huh.

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

Well the team really showed us what we are in store for this year..A bunch of ageing vets,past there prime,2 back up goaltenders,and a few kids..Exciting,,,