Confirmed Trade: [NYR/CAR] Adam Fox for 2019 2nd round pick and 2020 conditional 3rd

[The S5]

I've been a full season ticket holder for 20 yrs. I've seen guys come and go for locker room issues before. They do not put up with **** that becomes a distraction for the team. Those guys are gone. Is BM a cancer? Maybe not.

Meh, not really. Peters wanted Faulk gone in the worst way last season. He's still there.
Most rooms don't have cancerous players. Some guys are less outgoing, but this isn't basketball. Very few prima donna's.

 

[Levitate]

Why do some fans keep talking about where he would go in this years draft? He’s had so much extra development time. Why even talk about it?

Probably something about evaluating his value versus the draft picks given up to acquire him? It's not a good way to make a comparison but like I said ultimately if you pick a guy pretty much anywhere outside of the top 5 and he has a college career like Fox then you're ecstatic about the pick and would feel like it's a home run

 

[TGWL]

It's funny that when Calgary drafted him he was a middling prospect that would end up being too soft and therefore become a PP specialist.

Now I'm learning that he would be the first D man picked in the draft!

The kid has really managed to win over hearts and minds here!

Yeah, it's called 3 years of impressing scouts after his draft. Either way, I don't have him as the #1D taken, but I have him pretty high on the D-men available.

 

[TGWL]

Are you really trying to compare College Players to NHL Players? We will see when/if he makes the NHL roster. Same thing was said of Noah Hanifan and he is barely a 4D IMO

Where did I compare him? The only thing I compared his skating to was Karlsson's edge work. In fact, most of that post was the complete opposite talking about there being a big adjustment to NHL... Were you just going for extra likes?

 

[Svechhammer]

Meh, not really. Peters wanted Faulk gone in the worst way last season. He's still there.
Most rooms don't have cancerous players. Some guys are less outgoing, but this isn't basketball. Very few prima donna's.

I think they were willing to give Faulk a chance. If they weren't, they would have shipped him out for the same bag of pucks offer they got from Buffalo for Skinner

 

[bigdog16]

It's funny that when Calgary drafted him he was a middling prospect that would end up being too soft and therefore become a PP specialist.

Now I'm learning that he would be the first D man picked in the draft!

The kid has really managed to win over hearts and minds here!

Yeah crazy almost the same thing that happened with that Gaudreau kid

Meh, not really. Peters wanted Faulk gone in the worst way last season. He's still there.
Most rooms don't have cancerous players. Some guys are less outgoing, but this isn't basketball. Very few prima donna's.

You've clearly never played with any Russians before then. Generally, most of them are good people, but they are sooo selfish and very self-centered. If you don't get warmed up to them then they can easily be considered cancers.

 

[The S5]

I think they were willing to give Faulk a chance. If they weren't, they would have shipped him out for the same bag of pucks offer they got from Buffalo for Skinner

I know for sure that Peters had no time for the guy. He wanted him gone.
More than likely, they couldn't get any reasonable return on the guy.
With that said, he definitely dedicated himself to getting in shape this past off season, so his play has improved.
As far as Skinner goes, that was a Rod decision, not Peters.

 

[The S5]

Yeah crazy almost the same thing that happened with that Gaudreau kid



You've clearly never played with any Russians before then. Generally, most of them are good people, but they are sooo selfish and very self-centered. If you don't get warmed up to them then they can easily be considered cancers.

I didn't play with Russians. Showing my age, but there just weren't many around in my time. That said, I have to think some of the Russian thing may be the language barrier and cultural differences.
In today's game, what Russians can you point to who are established cancers?
I mean, Dougie Hamilton was, and still is, referred to in that manner, and it seems like his Carolina team mates love the guy.

 

[Svechhammer]

I know for sure that Peters had no time for the guy. He wanted him gone.
More than likely, they couldn't get any reasonable return on the guy.
With that said, he definitely dedicated himself to getting in shape this past off season, so his play has improved.
As far as Skinner goes, that was a Rod decision, not Peters.

Skinner was an organizational decision. Brindy had no time for him, and Waddell couldn't move him out fast enough. If Francis had the same willingness to bootkick someone out of the organization the way Waddell did, Faulk would have been gone last year, but making big moves was something that Francis just never had the guts to really pull off. And that's why we have a new GM and coach right now.

 

[bigdog16]

I didn't play with Russians. Showing my age, but there just weren't many around in my time. That said, I have to think some of the Russian thing may be the language barrier and cultural differences.
In today's game, what Russians can you point to who are established cancers?
I mean, Dougie Hamilton was, and still is, referred to in that manner, and it seems like his Carolina team mates love the guy.

Like I said, its not like Russians are bad people at all. It is a completely different culture. The way they would be depicted by North Americans is that they are whiners and want everything spoon fed to them. Radulov is a guy who was widely considered a cancer. Haven't really been following him in Dallas, but he seems to be gelling there. It takes a while for Russians to adapt to our culture, that's for sure.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

A good chance he'd be one on a team he felt he didn't want to be on is what I meant. He was obviously set on getting what he wanted. As long as he got his own way, I'm sure he'll be fine in NY. No one should want an unhappy player that wants to be somewhere else in their room. Canes are very picky about character guys that fit the room, and buy in to their system. No room for a disruption.

This must have happened post-Semin. Good luck with the Isles, rooting for Canes.

 

[Roboturner913]

So we should stop putting it on the player as if he's a dishonest jerk.

He's not a dishonest jerk because he didn't want to play for the Hurricanes. He's a dishonest jerk because he lied about it.

Again, do I care? Hell no! We have 7 good NHL d-men right now with Bean/McKeown/Martin on the way. We don't need a PP QB, an RHD, or any other kind of d-man really. We're packed to the gills with good d-men. And hell, we got a great deal for him. Two 2nds, or a 2nd and a 3rd, considering the Canes recent draft history, could very well end up turning into a top 6 forward.

It's more about the way he went about it. Why not just be honest? "Yo, I don't want to play for your team. You should probably trade me." Ain't nothing hard about saying that.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Steep price right now.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I've been a full season ticket holder for 20 yrs. I've seen guys come and go for locker room issues before. They do not put up with **** that becomes a distraction for the team. Those guys are gone. Is BM a cancer? Maybe not.

I believe that some BMs could be cancerous

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Like I said, its not like Russians are bad people at all. It is a completely different culture. The way they would be depicted by North Americans is that they are whiners and want everything spoon fed to them. Radulov is a guy who was widely considered a cancer. Haven't really been following him in Dallas, but he seems to be gelling there. It takes a while for Russians to adapt to our culture, that's for sure.

Radulov changed my opinion in the last series we had against Montreal, we was really battling out there....glad he turned it around with some maturity

 

[Roboturner913]

This must have happened post-Semin.

Nobody with the Canes ever had one bad word to say about Semin. He lost his game, mostly probably because his wrist injury killed his shot. It was never a character issue with him.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I didn't play with Russians. Showing my age, but there just weren't many around in my time. That said, I have to think some of the Russian thing may be the language barrier and cultural differences.
In today's game, what Russians can you point to who are established cancers?
I mean, Dougie Hamilton was, and still is, referred to in that manner, and it seems like his Carolina team mates love the guy.

Just curious, what level of play did you top off at? You seem to have some good contacts in the league.

 

[qwerty]

Why shouldn't they? Like people said, ANY player can do this, it's in the CBA that allows them to, but more than that why should a NHL team hold a players rights in perpetuity?

I think we're used to seeing players as property and it certainly creates a weird dynamic. Most of these guys owe nothing to the team that drafted them.

Who said a team should hold their rights for perpetuity? To me, it doesn't make sense that a drafted player straight out of college has the right to pick and choose any team he wishes because he chose to finish his degree. Actual players in the NHL who've served their time and played for the team that drafted them for years don't even have the ability to pick and choose.

Like I said earlier, if the league altered the rule to 2 years from the time they're finished their degree, this situation would all but disappear. I just don't like the idea of teams throwing draft picks away on players who from day 1, have basically decided they'll never play the team that drafted them. Being drafted to any team is a privilege and loopholes like this shouldn't exist. At the very least, force these college kids to re-enter the draft, don't just give them UFA status that so many NHLers have basically worked their entire careers to earn.

 

[Tawnos]

Who said a team should hold their rights for perpetuity? To me, it doesn't make sense that a drafted player straight out of college has the right to pick and choose any team he wishes because he chose to finish his degree. Actual players in the NHL who've served their time and played for the team that drafted them for years don't even have the ability to pick and choose.

Like I said earlier, if the league altered the rule to 2 years from the time they're finished their degree, this situation would all but disappear. I just don't like the idea of teams throwing draft picks away on players who from day 1, have basically decided they'll never play the team that drafted them. Being drafted to any team is a privilege and loopholes like this shouldn't exist. At the very least, force these college kids to re-enter the draft, don't just give them UFA status that so many NHLers have basically worked their entire careers to earn.

I see you're still ignoring that every single drafted player except for Russians have the same option these players are exercising.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Why not just be honest? "Yo, I don't want to play for your team. You should probably trade me." Ain't nothing hard about saying that.

Look at what happened in Columbus. The distraction that was caused by Panarin and Bobrovsky all season. It forced Kekelainen into a bad position. He went all-in because he knew trading those two would absolutely derail the season and he’d get a subpar return.

Players and executives lie to fans all of the time. It’s been a part of sports for years. It’s something that I think more people need to come to terms with.

 

[dougd]

Conversation... anger/jealousy/anti and support... on NCAA players who won't sign with original drafting teams would be minimal if the CBA had the clause where teams get compensated in exactly same spot the draftee was chosen once they finish their Senior year which usually will be 22/23.

Could still have the trade scenarios with the compensation being the trade itself.

Currrently, only applies to 1st Rnd'rs, but compensation given only in between 1st and 2nd rnd.

Could apply to Junior players as well with teams getting same compensation if player doesn't sign once reaching age 22.

This way, they can still have earning power in AHL or Europe as independents if they want to go that route.
Mentioned this scenario on CBH board a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Levitate]

Who said a team should hold their rights for perpetuity? To me, it doesn't make sense that a drafted player straight out of college has the right to pick and choose any team he wishes because he chose to finish his degree. Actual players in the NHL who've served their time and played for the team that drafted them for years don't even have the ability to pick and choose.

But it's the same thing for players who don't go to college! In fact it's even more favorable for teams when their draft picks go the NCAA route! Normally they have 2 years to sign a pick, they have 4 years to convince a NCAA player to sign. But any draft pick can become an UFA if they refuse to sign for 4 years after their draft, it's not just NCAA players.

Like I said earlier, if the league altered the rule to 2 years from the time they're finished their degree, this situation would all but disappear. I just don't like the idea of teams throwing draft picks away on players who from day 1, have basically decided they'll never play the team that drafted them. Being drafted to any team is a privilege and loopholes like this shouldn't exist. At the very least, force these college kids to re-enter the draft, don't just give them UFA status that so many NHLers have basically worked their entire careers to earn.

That's ridiculous, controlling a players rights for 6 years. It's not even a loophole, I don't get why people don't understand this.

The ONLY thing that really makes it a bit different is that it's easier for guys in the NCAA to stay there and develop and play meaningful hockey rather than worry about aging out of the CHL and finding another team to play for until they become a free agent. A CHL player could refuse to sign and then go to the KHL and become a free agent after 4 years as well. Hell they might even be able to become a free agent sooner if they re-entered the draft and weren't picked again (can't quite remember if that's how it works).

 

[qwerty]

I see you're still ignoring that every single drafted player except for Russians have the same option these players are exercising.

If certain people are taking advantage of a certain loophole, then it should be looked into. Change it for everyone then, not like it would effect anyone other than college players anyway because they seem to be the only ones taking advantage of this oversight. It’s like, “oh, I’ve been drafted by this crappy team/city, whatever, I’ll just finish my free school and then go wherever I want in August.” These are not the type of people who should be rewarded.

 

[Dr Quincy]

This works for college sports where you aren't paying for their services.

Getting paid changes the dynamic.

Huh?

If you aren't signed, you aren't getting paid, you aren't an employee and you aren't in the league. I don't understand your point.

A player isn't forced to sign with a team. He can turn down a contract offer, or refuse to field one. Just like a team is not forced to offer one.

The only problem is when people think that one side is obligated to sign a contract. Which, in fact would be illegal as a contract that is coerced isn't enforcible anyway.

 

[Tawnos]

If certain people are taking advantage of a certain loophole, then it should be looked into. Change it for everyone then, not like it would effect anyone other than college players anyway because they seem to be the only ones taking advantage of this oversight. It’s like, “oh, I’ve been drafted by this crappy team/city, whatever, I’ll just finish my free school and then go wherever I want in August.” These are not the type of people who should be rewarded.

It’s not an oversight. It’s in place to protect the players from having their rights held overlong.