Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

[HOPE]

Management (Both Dubas and Shanahan) have both explicitly commented on trying/hoping to get players signed on discounts. How is it a "pipedream invented by Leafs fans". What a dumb post.

Its also very dumb to ask your player to take a paycut after signing Tavares as a UFA 11M. f*** discount on your first real NHL contract, it’s your future.

 

[Nizdizzle]

Where have they ever explicitly stated that they expect their players to take discounts?

Seems like something you wouldn't want to say publicly, not a very good look and probably bad for negotiations.

I'm not doing your research for you. Shanahan made his comments yesterday should be easy to look up, Dubas has mentioned in numerous times over the course of the summer that he spoke with Matthews/Marner/Nylander prior to signing Tavares, and that they were all aware of what signing him would mean in regards to the cap.

Its also very dumb to ask your player to take a paycut after signing Tavares as a UFA 11M. **** discount on your first real NHL contract, it’s your future.

They should have spoken up when Dubas asked them prior to signing Nylander then. Nylander should have been fully aware that his slice of the pie would decrease with Tavares coming in.

 

[KlefDown]

Tavares didn't take a discount at 11m
Matthews WON'T take a discount and will want atleast 11m+
Marner will want his around 7.5

why should Nylander be the one sacrificing?
Respect to him for holding out. Shanahan just sounds like a greedy prick in his interview.
HF loves their golden boys on good contracts but I like it when players go out and get what they are worth.

 

[go4hockey]

Matthews is going to want at least 10.5 million a season next year. For Shanahan to suggest he should take a discount, while the team goes out and makes Tavares the highest paid player this season is laughable.

I predict both Marner and Matthews hold out next year. Maybe Nylander joins them.

I agree here. If I am one of the Leaf home grown players I would take no discount after seeing the big payday to the outside talent.

 

[bluedevil58]

If he refuses to sign. Does a Faulk for Nylander become more attractive? Otherwise, lose him to the Sweden?

 

[TeddyBare]

Its also very dumb to ask your player to take a paycut after signing Tavares as a UFA 11M. **** discount on your first real NHL contract, it’s your future.

Yeah Tavares has earned I think like around $30 mill up to now. Or something like that.

So for them to say look at what Tavares did in reference to Nylander, It just sounds so..... Im not even sure of the word.
Just comparing apples to oranges.

 

[hyduK]

I'm not doing your research for you. Shanahan made his comments yesterday should be easy to look up, Dubas has mentioned in numerous times over the course of the summer that he spoke with Matthews/Marner/Nylander prior to signing Tavares, and that they were all aware of what signing him would mean in regards to the cap.

The Shanahan comment yesterday was anything but explicit. It was just him throwing shade because Nylander has yet to sign a team friendly contract for the privilege of playing for the Leafs.

Outright saying you expect your players to take a discount is dumb. You lose all leverage at that point because you're essentially saying "Yeah, we know we're lowballing you". Why would you do that as opposed to stand pat and just say you think you're offering a fair value?

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Tavares didn't take a discount at 11m
Matthews WON'T take a discount and will want atleast 11m+
Marner will want his around 7.5

why should Nylander be the one sacrificing?
Respect to him for holding out. Shanahan just sounds like a greedy prick in his interview.
HF loves their golden boys on good contracts but I like it when players go out and get what they are worth.

Well I mean I guess you have to take the position after that Draisaitl contract.

 

[Mugzy97]

Tavares didn't take a discount at 11m

This part is not true. He took less money to play here.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

How? Marner and matthews are both on their last elc year, Nylander can’t do the same he’s rfa.

They want Nylander to refuse to sign all year, they're baiting you.

 

[mashedpotato]

You can handpick the Leaf Haters in this tread just by the objectivity based on responses.

Relax, the Leafs haven't and won't implode. we'll dodge this bullet just like we always do and you can go back to hating on something else....

 

[The Podium]

Tavares didn't take a discount at 11m
Matthews WON'T take a discount and will want atleast 11m+
Marner will want his around 7.5

why should Nylander be the one sacrificing?
Respect to him for holding out. Shanahan just sounds like a greedy prick in his interview.
HF loves their golden boys on good contracts but I like it when players go out and get what they are worth.

You must have been pissed when McDavid asked to be paid less than Edmonton was offering

 

[The Podium]

Yeah Tavares has earned I think like around $30 mill up to now. Or something like that.

So for them to say look at what Tavares did in reference to Nylander, It just sounds so..... Im not even sure of the word.
Just comparing apples to oranges.

At Nylanders age, Tavares left a lot on the table. At Tavares age, Nylander can sign his retirement contract.

 

[hyduK]

This part is not true. He took less money to play here.

Taking less money at 11m after you've already made a decent bank in your career is different than asking someone who's in the 6-7m range to take a discount though.

Also consider that Tavares has a lot more endorsement opportunity than Nylander. He's the hometown boy and Nylander is 4th on the team in terms of endorsements.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

You can handpick the Leaf Haters in this tread just by the objectivity based on responses.

Relax, the Leafs haven't and won't implode. we'll dodge this bullet just like we always do and you can go back to hating on something else....

Leafs haven't dodged thaaaat many bullets in the past 50 years

 

[The Podium]

Anyway, it is foolish to be taking sides since we dont know what either side is offering. In all honesty, the side further from 6.5 mill x 7 years is in the wrong.

 

[mashedpotato]

Leafs haven't dodged thaaaat many bullets in the past 50 years

I'm guessing you're one of those unobjective leaf haters I was referring to.

I'm not suggested thaaaaaat we did - I'm suggesting thaaat we will.

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[PatrikBerglund]

So.

Is Nylander arrogant about the view of his talent and what he deserves...


Or is Toronto being cheap, trying to force Nylander to accept something way below what he really deserves?

 

[KlefDown]

Well I mean I guess you have to take the position after that Draisaitl contract.

If you want Nylander locked up for 8 years, good luck getting him at anything under 7.5 or even 8m. Term matters.
If we wanted Drai for 6 years, he would have taken 6.5 or 7.

 

[Mugzy97]

Taking less money at 11m after you've already made a decent bank in your career is different than asking someone who's in the 6-7m range to take a discount though.

Also consider that Tavares has a lot more endorsement opportunity than Nylander. He's the hometown boy and Nylander is 4th on the team in terms of endorsements.

It's also different to pay a UFA for his career accomplishments and to pay a RFA kid for his potential accomplishments. We're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[TeddyBare]

At Nylanders age, Tavares left a lot on the table. At Tavares age, Nylander can sign his retirement contract.

And where did it get him?

 

[Tavares to Marner]

If he refuses to sign. Does a Faulk for Nylander become more attractive? Otherwise, lose him to the Sweden?

id rather watch Nylander rip up the SHL than trade him for faulk

 

[Claypool]

This part is not true. He took less money to play here.

He's the highest paid player in the NHL this year.

 

[hyduK]

So.

Is Nylander arrogant about the view of his talent and what he deserves...


Or is Toronto being cheap, trying to force Nylander to accept something way below what he really deserves?

Most likely a little of a and a little of b.

Hard time believing that Dubas has offered him 8*7....I'd imagine we'd have a done deal if that was the case.

Also have a hard time believing that it's a super low offer like 8*6.

Probably somewhere in the 6.2-6.4m range. Which is both an understandable offer and an understandable rejection.

 

[KlefDown]

You must have been pissed when McDavid asked to be paid less than Edmonton was offering

He took a 500k discount, if that even. If you ask me, I'd say he's worth every penny even at a max contract. I'm sure Leafs fans will feel the same with Matthews at whatever number he signs.