Confirmed with Link: NYI-VAN Beauvillier, 1st (2023 Top 12 Protected), Raty for Bo Horvat

[LouJersey]

Bo has a family with 2 young kids. If he signs with NYI (I wouldn’t if I were him), he’ll probably get a place out on the island. There are some really nice neighborhoods there with excellent schools - Great Neck area for example. For reference, that’s the part of Long Island where Jay Gatsby lived. Also Jordan Belfort from Wolf of Wall Street. Funnily enough both roles played by Di Caprio.

the owners are amazing. the building is amazing the there are fantastic places to live out there. I believe they will sign him, 8/75.

 

[Aqualung]

What are the chances that NYI fail to make ground in the next 12 games, contract talks go nowhere, and Horvat is dealt at the TDL for a better return?

 

[LouJersey]

What are the chances that NYI fail to make ground in the next 12 games, contract talks go nowhere, and Horvat is dealt at the TDL for a better return?

I think they could get a first from a good team plus a good prospect plus they could retain again making another asset likely

 

[Diversification]

the owners are amazing. the building is amazing the there are fantastic places to live out there. I believe they will sign him, 8/75.

I have nothing against NYI or LI. When we were making the move out of the city, we considered a couple places on the island (zoned for Syosset school district). Opted in the end for Westchester because of commute. I've also taken my boys out to Belmont to take in a game and I agree, it's a nice building.

It's just that Bo has had it rough his entire pro career playing for a no-hope team managed by a crayon-eating front office. NYI I see as nearing the twilight of their window and if I were Bo, I would think long and hard about the painful rebuild that is to come.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I think they could get a first from a good team plus a good prospect plus they could retain again making another asset likely

And then that team flips him again, with more salary retained, for better assets.

Bo "Paperclip" Horvat!

 

[iFan]

What are the chances that NYI fail to make ground in the next 12 games, contract talks go nowhere, and Horvat is dealt at the TDL for a better return?

has this ever happened? The reason why they traded for him is to make the playoffs and go on a run.

 

[Diamonddog01]

And then that team flips him again, with more salary retained, for better assets.

Bo "Paperclip" Horvat!

Ha. I wonder how many get this reference.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I think some people are overrating Horvat a bit. He is great at faceoffs and on the PP but he’s having a career year and for once we sold high. Other GMs know that his 20% shooting percentage is not sustainable. His defensive play is decent but he’s not a shutdown center.
We got a mid first in a strong draft, a prospect with upside and the ability to develop into a solid two way 2C/3C and a winger who’s development has stalled but who could bounce back. I think it’s a decent deal. Some of the fantasy proposals may have set expectations too high as there was no way we were getting a sure fire blue chip project for a 60 point Horvat as a rental.

 

[theKRAKhouse]

And then that team flips him again, with more salary retained, for better assets.

Bo "Paperclip" Horvat!

BlOw the zone Horvat

And no I don’t get the paper clip name

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

BlOw the zone Horvat

And no I don’t get the paper clip name

"One red paperclip is a website created by Canadian blogger Kyle MacDonald, who traded his way from a single red paperclip to a house in a series of fourteen online trades over the course of a year. "

 

[Josepho]

I really don't think Lamoriello would trade Horvat.

 

[Canucker]

I really don't think Lamoriello would trade Horvat.

Probably not...but, if Bo straight up says "I have no intention of signing here...at all", he would be an idiot not to.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Negotiations:

Allvin "Lou. If we are trading Bo, we need someone to replace him"
Lou "You're in luck. We have a Beau you can have"
Allvin "Deal"

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

I’ve missed out on the past couple pages but I thought about the market and I think we did really well, arguably better then the Kevin Fiala Trade, better than Debrincat/Dach and likely not far off on the Eichel trade ( Peyton Krebs a Better prospect, the 1st Islanders have valued more than NYI first and Tuch Vs Beau - Tuch the better of the two )

Bo’s return was closer to the top of the market

 

[canuckking1]

Really interested to see what Horvat's defensive number will look like under a good defensive team.

 

[gringo]

Ar-too Ra-too judging by the Finnish announcers on Youtube.

And I’m Jerry Cougar Mellencamp

 

[StreetHawk]

the owners are amazing. the building is amazing the there are fantastic places to live out there. I believe they will sign him, 8/75.

Financially rhe diff between doing an 8 vs 7 year deal probably ends up being roughly half the AAV in real dollars.

Say Bo was asking $8 mill per for 8 years. That’s $64 mill. Over 7 years his AAV likely goes to $8.5 to $8.75 mill. That’s anywhere from $59.5 mill to $61.25 mill.

 

[Nucker101]

I really don't think Lamoriello would trade Horvat.

Horvat’s agent has 4 clients on the Islanders so I’d imagine some talks between Lou and Bo’s agent were had pre-trade

 

[4Twenty]

Horvat is underrated by this fanbase if anything.

Is he a 60 goal scorer? No. But nobody is really selling him as such.

He’s a top 20 goal scoring Center over 4-6 seasons. Top 40 in points. Top face off guy. Plays top 10 minutes at the position.


All mostly with linemates like Pearson, Hoglander, Baertschi etc


People are only looking at his next deal through the lens of this terrible cap structure and prospect deficiency.


I do find it funny that JT Miller breaking out at a similar age had been accepted but Horvat’s is “going to fall off a cliff”.


An 8 year deal to Horvat expires when he’s 34. Kadri just locked in for 7 years at 32 lol.


I’m fine with the return just to put that out there. That’s what rentals return. I’m just disappointed at having to do this after their half way measures of the past year and signing the older more volatile personality.

 

[arttk]

You don't know where this draft pick will be.

I’ve already said I misread the quote. Jeez

Bo has a family with 2 young kids. If he signs with NYI (I wouldn’t if I were him), he’ll probably get a place out on the island. There are some really nice neighborhoods there with excellent schools - Great Neck area for example. For reference, that’s the part of Long Island where Jay Gatsby lived. Also Jordan Belfort from Wolf of Wall Street. Funnily enough both roles played by Di Caprio.

Yeah I have colleagues that live out of the island and life sounds fun in the NYC area

 

[iceburg]

To put an emphasis on cap savings, in Sept this trade will look like this:

Horvat for Beau, Raty, a mid 1st and $4M+ in cap space.

Obviously we need to see who the pick is and they might spend some of that cap space.

 

[rypper]

I know there's rumors flying around about an extension in place with Horvat and the NYI. I don't know why but I genuinely hope he doesn't lock up long term there.

Not because I want him to come back here or anything. Just the guy put up with a ton of losing here and it just feels like the islanders are at the ledge of a cliff that the Canucks fell off of a few seasons ago.

Hold out Bo and sign in Detroit or another team with legitimate potential.

 

[4Twenty]

To put an emphasis on cap savings, in Sept this trade will look like this:

Horvat for Beau, Raty, a mid 1st and $4M+ in cap space.

Obviously we need to see who the pick is and they might spend some of that cap space.

This is a weird way of putting it. Had they not taken Beauvillier and just took the prospect and pick would you be calling it $8m+ in cap space?


Horvat was at $5.5m. They brought in a player at $4.125.

They don’t really have any excess cap space and have a massive crater at center ice.

 

[iceburg]

This is a weird way of putting it. Had they not taken Beauvillier and just took the prospect and pick would you be calling it $8m+ in cap space?


Horvat was at $5.5m. They brought in a player at $4.125.

They don’t really have any excess cap space and have a massive crater at center ice.

IMO that’s how it should be viewed. This year is meaningless. It’s a write off. Signing Horvat long term would have eaten that cap space for years to come. The retention for the next 10 weeks isn’t moving any needle.

I could even suggest that, in two years, the trade could look like Raty, the 20 year old player they select with the first, and the $8.5M RHD that they sign with Horvat’s money. If it plays out that way, it will be a massive win.

It’s about thinking longer term than the 10 weeks remaining in this season. This team is going nowhere in the next 10 weeks. And arguably the main objective should be to improve draft position, another benefit if this trade.

 

[StreetHawk]

An 8 year deal to Horvat expires when he’s 34. Kadri just locked in for 7 years at 32 lol.

Bo is 27 now, 28 in April.

So, 8 year deal finishes when he is 36. Context wise, the majority of the draft class of 2005 will turn 36 in 2023. talking the likes of Sid, Jack Johnson, Kopitar, M. Staal, for context purposes.