Confirmed Trade: [NSH/NJD] P.K. Subban traded to Devils for Santini, Davies, 2019 2nd and 2020 2nd Part II

[Pandaman11]

Santini waived by Nashville

This trade just keeps looking better...

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Santini waived by Nashville

This trade just keeps looking better...

Well, the way Nashville looks at it, is Duchene + 2x 2nds.

Maybe its unfair to look at it like that from the outside, but all that matters to the organization is what goes out what comes in.

Also have to consider they were working under a timeframe, can't wait for the best deal when you're about to sign a big fish.

 

[ijuka]

Well, the way Nashville looks at it, is Duchene + 2x 2nds.

Maybe its unfair to look at it like that from the outside, but all that matters to the organization is what goes out what comes in.

Also have to consider they were working under a timeframe, can't wait for the best deal when you're about to sign a big fish.

Sorry, but you can't include non-trade pieces in trades. This trade's in a vacuum. If 2 2nds was the return, they should have been able to do better.

 

[Merrrlin]

Santini waived by Nashville

This trade just keeps looking better...

This trade was never about Santini.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Sorry, but you can't include non-trade pieces in trades. This trade's in a vacuum. If 2 2nds was the return, they should have been able to do better.

So you're saying, because they couldn't get a better return, they should've passed on Duchene ?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

It feels to me like the Preds "knew all along", in some non-tamperingesque common knowledge way, that they'd have a very very good chance of landing Duchene. Like, near certainty. From long before July 1st or this trade. So they knew they were going to have to clear cap. And at the same time, I got the sense from Subban's exit interview comments that he knew it too and that he was pretty ok with moving on and probably told the Preds that. So the Preds weren't really looking at any other way of clearing cap either, and that pretty much fits with the whole May-June rumormill of Subban being on the block. Trading Subban was basically a built-in part of the Duchesne signing for us.

I happen to think the Preds could have been a much stronger team if they had found other ways of clearing the cap space - we have $3M unused right now and Turris is $6M of relative inutility, so that right there is a Subban. But by mutual accord, it sounds like nobody was even looking at any other avenue.

Santini was only ever a minor cap dump, so him being waived means nothing. I think Davies may turn out to be the biggest return in the deal, bigger than the 2nds. Although they turned last year's 2nd which was pretty high at #34 into a later 2nd and a 3rd and we like Afanaseyev a lot so far as the first returns on that pick.

From the Nashville perspective we are only EVER going to look at this deal hand in hand with the Duchene signing. It's all part of the same thing to us. Davies, two seconds - that became two 2nds and a 3rd so far AND Duchene. Even the biggest Subban fans amongst us are in favor of this deal. But hey, it can be win-win too, as the Devils are getting what they wanted and didn't have to give up prime assets for a #1D. It's great all around, I'd say.

 

[hockeyguru]

predators could've had both subban and duchene if they didn't have turris, santini, and salomaki. what could've been.

 

[Riptide]

Sorry, but you can't include non-trade pieces in trades. This trade's in a vacuum. If 2 2nds was the return, they should have been able to do better.

When the whole reason for making the trade is the cap space to sign said "non trade piece" sure. I get why you don't want to, but the whole reason Nashville moved Subban was so that they could sign Duchene.

 

[BurntToast]

First, this thread bump scared the poop out of me. It’s early.

As a Devils fan; Nashville definitely tampered!? JK JK. Davies was going to fight for a spot on the Devils this season. He was a solid prospect and I was sad to see him leave the organization. This was a win/win trade and other fans can cry a river.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Santini won't get claimed. Nashville will probably draft a top 4 defenseman with one of those 2nds

 

[Rob Brown]

When the whole reason for making the trade is the cap space to sign said "non trade piece" sure. I get why you don't want to, but the whole reason Nashville moved Subban was so that they could sign Duchene.

But in a vacuum it's still a pretty bad return. It doesn't really matter that they knew they were going to sign Duchene, they still traded Subban for a poor return.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Addition by subtraction ...... Nashville is a better team without him and all his ego driven /pimp suit wearing/ ice dancing/ mouth wash attention grabbing tactics.

The 2 2 nds are just a bonus that Polle will use to add 2 great prospects to the organization.

 

[JustaFinnishGuy]

This didn't need a bump. It wasn't a win-win deal. You don't judge deals because of what was done outside of them.
NSH lost big on this one.

 

[FFWRX]

But in a vacuum it's still a pretty bad return. It doesn't really matter that they knew they were going to sign Duchene, they still traded Subban for a poor return.

It was probably the only offer that didn't have the Preds retaining some salary.

 

[TrufleShufle]

It was probably the only offer that didn't have the Preds retaining some salary.

It was stated that this was the case.

 

[nbwingsfan]

But in a vacuum it's still a pretty bad return. It doesn't really matter that they knew they were going to sign Duchene, they still traded Subban for a poor return.

But they had to. If this was the best offer they had, should they have just held onto Subban and risked having Duchene sign elsewhere?

I don’t think so.

 

[CB Joe]

Nashville is a better team today because of this move.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

But they had to. If this was the best offer they had, should they have just held onto Subban and risked having Duchene sign elsewhere?

I don’t think so.

How about keeping Subban and not signing plugs like Turris, Smith, Bonino, Sissons. That's what 15+m right there for Turris. Nashville has too much dead weight to simply point to "Duchene for Subban" as the sole tradeoff they can make.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Nashville is a better team today because of this move.

Or, trade Smith/Turris and Bonino, keep Subban, sign Duchene, and you are a much better team than you are today.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Nashville is a better team today because of this move.

So are the Devils. Seems like a win-win if I've ever seen one.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

So are the Devils. Seems like a win-win if I've ever seen one.

I'm failing to see how this is a win for Nashville? They traded a top pair defenseman for nothing and could have signed Duchene without trading Subban.

 

[TrufleShufle]

I'm failing to see how this is a win for Nashville? They traded a top pair defenseman for nothing and could have signed Duchene without trading Subban.

I feel like it's ok that you don't see it. Most Devils fans seemed to like it, and most Nash fans seem to be ok with as well. I'm failing to see why you need to be convinced.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Sorry, but you can't include non-trade pieces in trades. This trade's in a vacuum. If 2 2nds was the return, they should have been able to do better.

The purpose of the trade is to make your team better. Not to “win” a non-existent trade value contest.

If a team uses a trade to free up space for a UFA, you absolutely factor that in. Otherwise the whole evaluation is nonsensical.

 

[HabsQC]

Would the preds have done the same move with Weber if they still had him instead of Subban ?

 

[Mr Positive]

it goes to show that deals are mostly judged by the state of team. I agree that this deal on its own is bad, but the Predators were bad. They made the playoffs, but seemed in decline. Without cap space, there was little help of fixing the roster.

Also, there's the cap space angle. We really ought to start looking at cap space as a real asset. It's not that the Devils were such great negotatiators that they convinced the Preds that Santini and Davies were such great players. It was that they were willing to take on that much net cap in one deal.

I don't even think you can claim that the Preds knew that Duchene would sign. But, with all that cap space they would have definitely found a way to fix their team. Because, all of a sudden they were in the spot NJ was in, where they had all this cap to spend and leverage