Confirmed Signing with Link: [NSH] Kyle Turris extends with Nashville (6 years, $6M AAV)

[triggrman]

Regardless of how or why, I'm glad he's locked up at a reasonable rate long term. Forsberg, RyJo, Bonino, Arvidsson, Jarnkrok and Turris are locked up long term so we should be straight for awhile up front and our top 4 defensemen are all locked up at least through 2019, and some beyond

 

[NyQuil]

The sales tax in Ontario is 13%. I can guarantee you that Canadian income tax rates dwarf the rates in the USA, and specifically Nashville. I did a quick search and we are talking about a 7% difference in income tax.

Overall the tax difference will work out to about 10%

Plus check out the property prices for a 3500 sqft home in Ottawa vs. Nashville.

There's a chart right here:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/137599911/

It doesn't take into account cost of living, and other costs.

But, there is a benefit to living in Ottawa in that athletes are paid in American dollars and prices in Ottawa are in Canadian dollars. Not sure about comparative costs of goods and services though.

 

[NyQuil]

Regardless of how or why, I'm glad he's locked up at a reasonable rate long term. Forsberg, RyJo, Bonino, Arvidsson, Jarnkrok and Turris are locked up long term so we should be straight for awhile up front and our top 4 defensemen are all locked up at least through 2019, and some beyond

It's a very fair deal.

 

[ottawa]

They’re gonna be able to pay Karlsson because they didn’t pay Turris

I guess they're not re-signing Duchene then

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

I keep reading Nashville fans talk about their 10.75% sales tax like it's a big thing.

Is it remarkable in the States or something?

-Calgary - 5%
-Edmonton - 5%
-Montreal - 14.975%
-Ottawa - 13%
-Toronto - 13%
-Vancouver - 12%
-Winnipeg - 13%

We also have provincial and federal income taxes.

It's not the only reason why Turris signed in Nashville but I can see why it might be a factor in why he would settle for fewer years.

It's one of the highest if not the highest sales tax in the U.S.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Its not the sales tax, its income tax, Nashville doesn't pay tax on the income they make, they pay sales tax on goods purchased.

 

[NyQuil]

Its not the sales tax, its income tax, Nashville doesn't pay tax on the income they make, they pay sales tax on goods purchased.

It's a sales tax because it's administered on point of sale.

Apparently they do not have a state income tax the way we do in Canada.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It's a sales tax because it's administered on point of sale.

Apparently they do not have a state income tax the way we do in Canada.

That's what I said no tax on INCOME, (state), there is sales tax on goods.

 

[NyQuil]

I guess they're not re-signing Duchene then

That's the challenge of having good players on your team.

You wouldn't understand.

 

[ottawa]

That's the challenge of having good players on your team.

You wouldn't understand.

I sense a bit of anger in that post. I made a legitimate point, I guess sens fans aren't ready to face that reality a short 2 years away.

 

[NyQuil]

I sense a bit of anger in that post. I made a legitimate point, I guess sens fans aren't ready to face that reality a short 2 years away.

That was the whole point of the trade.

It extends reality by a year.

 

[playasRus]

I sense a bit of anger in that post. I made a legitimate point, I guess sens fans aren't ready to face that reality a short 2 years away.

That's the beauty of it though, in two years we can choose between Duchene or Brassard, assuming both want to come back. Losing Turris for futures/nothing this summer would have sucked more next year with only Brassard signed and likely no FA coming in equal to a 1b/2 C level. Now instead we gave up a 1st + 3rd + Bowers to ensure we have a good 1C-2C combo, and then we can sign one and see where the Brown/White/Batherson/Formenton are in two years time.

And we'll have money for EK no matter what assuming he's not looking to jump ship and can find someone else with 10mil cap space.

Acquiring Duchene and keeping Turris would have only been possible without Phaneuf/Ryan.

 

[Gnashville]

Predators are now $800,000 under the cap!

 

[Gnashville]

Its not the sales tax, its income tax, Nashville doesn't pay tax on the income they make, they pay sales tax on goods purchased.

It’s actually in our constitution now. No taxes on income of state residents. The sales tax actually raises more money because not only do residents pay it but visitors and tourists do also. Tourism is a major fundraiser for the state with Memphis, Nashville, and the Smokies. Sevier County alone brings in massive tax revenues for the state.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

So Turris' contract has zero signing bonuses, zero trade protection. This is very good value for NSH. It either tells me that Turris was uninterested in staying in Ottawa so he was asking significantly more term and money from them (7-8 years 6.5M was the rumour), or that Dorion deliberately failed to engage in a proper negotiation because he wanted Duchene this entire time (and couldn't get him if he extended Turris), or a little bit of both.

Someone pointed this out to me yesterday, but it's very interesting that the Predators seemingly do not give out trade protection. Pekka Rinne is the only player they have signed with it. That's pretty badass to pull off.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

It’s actually in our constitution now. No taxes on income of state residents. The sales tax actually raises more money because not only do residents pay it but visitors and tourists do also. Tourism is a major fundraiser for the state with Memphis, Nashville, and the Smokies. Sevier County alone brings in massive tax revenues for the state.

Lucky Predators.

 

[NSH615]

Predators are now $800,000 under the cap!

What are you talking about? They are projected to be 2,435,234 under the cap WITH Turris.

 

[MisterNoItAll]

Fair deal for both sides. 50-60 point, second line center. Pay him until he's only 35, just before he gets too old. Ottawa will end up overpaying Duchene for virtually the same production that Turris brings. Not sure why they made that trade. Duchene is speedier, but Turris is smarter and better at faceoffs.

 

[Ivan13]

Fair deal for both sides. 50-60 point, second line center. Pay him until he's only 35, just before he gets too old. Ottawa will end up overpaying Duchene for virtually the same production that Turris brings. Not sure why they made that trade. Duchene is speedier, but Turris is smarter and better at faceoffs.

Not even close.

 

[PAZ]

Fair deal for both sides. 50-60 point, second line center. Pay him until he's only 35, just before he gets too old. Ottawa will end up overpaying Duchene for virtually the same production that Turris brings. Not sure why they made that trade. Duchene is speedier, but Turris is smarter and better at faceoffs.

2017-18 Season:
Duchene: 56.5% (20th in league)
Turris: 61.1% (4th in league)

2016-17 Season:
Duchene: 62.6% (1st in league)
Turris: 53.1% (28th in league)

2015-16 Season:
Duchene: 57.9% (4th in league)
Turris: 51.3% (44th in league)

2014-15 Season:
Duchene: 52.2% (32nd in league)
Turris: 50.1% (55th in league)

I guess if you want to use a 15 game sample size, sure Turris is better than Duchene at faceoffs. But if you actually use the past 3 seasons then Turris is better at losing faceoffs compared to Duchene.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

2017-18 Season:
Duchene: 56.5% (20th in league)
Turris: 61.1% (4th in league)

2016-17 Season:
Duchene: 62.6% (1st in league)
Turris: 53.1% (28th in league)

2015-16 Season:
Duchene: 57.9% (4th in league)
Turris: 51.3% (44th in league)

2014-15 Season:
Duchene: 52.2% (32nd in league)
Turris: 50.1% (55th in league)

I guess if you want to use a 15 game sample size, sure Turris is better than Duchene at faceoffs. But if you actually use the past 3 seasons then Turris is better at losing faceoffs compared to Duchene.

Also, Duchene has better speed and scoring touch. Therefore, I say Duchene is better, in overall.

 

[MisterNoItAll]

2017-18 Season:
Duchene: 56.5% (20th in league)
Turris: 61.1% (4th in league)

2016-17 Season:
Duchene: 62.6% (1st in league)
Turris: 53.1% (28th in league)

2015-16 Season:
Duchene: 57.9% (4th in league)
Turris: 51.3% (44th in league)

2014-15 Season:
Duchene: 52.2% (32nd in league)
Turris: 50.1% (55th in league)

I guess if you want to use a 15 game sample size, sure Turris is better than Duchene at faceoffs. But if you actually use the past 3 seasons then Turris is better at losing faceoffs compared to Duchene.

Thanks for posting the stats. I was really surprised, I didn’t know Duchene was that good in the dot. However, I still don’t think theres a big difference between the two in terms of overall. Both are good second line centres on a contender, and I’d rather take Turris because he’s cheaper and brings pretty much the same production as Duchene. I still think Turris is the smarter player.

 

[ThirdManIn]

What are you talking about? They are projected to be 2,435,234 under the cap WITH Turris.

Probably got those numbers from the same source that was boasting about the success of our ultra-regressive tax system.

 

[New User Name]

To think David Poile was offered the GM job with my team (Leafs)
I know the team is finally going in the right direction with Lou and Shanahan after years of mismanagement but I wonder how much better we might be if David had accepted.

Congrats Nashville and best of luck and even though I'm supposed to hate the Sens I can't. So best of luck with Duchene.

 

[topshelf15]

I guess they're not re-signing Duchene then

Would you ??if you cant resign EK then what is the point in resigning Duchene??The Isles dont have anything signed past this season either.Meaning ....If the cant resign JT then they will be massive sellers at the TD