Now that Hoffman's fiancee has been cleared, can we revisit this trade

[Flameshomer]

I truly dont understand people's insistence on throwing caryk under the bus. It's TRUE that a lack of evidence doesn't mean she's not guilty, but some of you are so dead set in your hatred for someone you dont know at all that you're still driving into her as if she was just proved to be guilty. None of you know ANYTHING about the inner workings of this situation, grow the f*** up and stop pretending you do.
Caryk could be innocent. Right now the burden of proof should be on Karlsson and she is not able to prove it. Her situation sucks too, but I think on balance it could suck more for Caryk.

Beyond that, what if these salacious rumors about Karlsson are true? She doesn't seem to have it all together, and she's lashing out like an animal cornered. Seems to me the comments struck true and her rage is misdirected. Perhaps what her life needs is some self reflection and private mourning. Perhaps some rehab.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Probably would still trade him for nothing. Just look at what Ottawa has done to their roster. Thats where you find your answer.

 

[RandomChickenWing]

Oct 3 could not come any quicker. This offseason has been kicking Ottawa in the nuts over and over again

 

[bert]

Probably would still trade him for nothing. Just look at what Ottawa has done to their roster. Thats where you find your answer.

Trading for Boedker though was very strange, they are trying to get rid of as much salary as possible everywhere else. Its really mismanagement on a whole new level. We thought Milbury was bad in the 2000's but its not close to as terrible as this has been. I am happy that the fans in Ottawa are taking the stance of not supporting this ownership/management group.

 

[bert]

Oct 3 could not come any quicker. This offseason has been kicking Ottawa in the nuts over and over again

Playing the games wont be any better, its really just the start because we havent even seen the terrible product that will be put on display after moving half the roster. Rock bottom will be when they finish dead last and win the draft lottery. It wont be any worse than that.

 

[FerrisRox]

Why did Ottawa move him for nothing, only to move Karlsson for nothing

First of all, and perhaps most importantly, she was in no way "cleared" of anything. That is incredibly misleading and doesn't reflect reality at all.

If you ask anyone in the know about the situation it becomes painfully clear that these allegations may not be provable, but they certainly aren't baseless.

I'm not in a position to share exactly how I know what I know because of the rules of this site, but Ottawa knows more than the public does in this regard and in terms of other things linked to this woman and whether they were keeping Karlsson or not, they wanted nothing more to do with either of them.

 

[FerrisRox]

i knew the karlssons were going to end up being the villains in this sega

They absolutely are not.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I'm not in a position to share exactly how I know what I know because of the rules of this site, but Ottawa knows more than the public does in this regard and in terms of other things linked to this woman and whether they were keeping Karlsson or not, they wanted nothing more to do with either of them.

This is my thought as well. Insufficient evidence in court of law, does not mean that nothing happened. The fact that the Senators moved Hoffman at the beginning of this saga (despite the fact they likely knew they would lose Karlsson as well) speaks volumes to me.

The real answer is we will never know who did what.

 

[RandomChickenWing]

Playing the games wont be any better, its really just the start because we havent even seen the terrible product that will be put on display after moving half the roster. Rock bottom will be when they finish dead last and win the draft lottery. It wont be any worse than that.

At least there will be hockey to watch. Not having hockey and hearing all the bad press is taxing. The draft lottery will be next offseason so we can complain about it then

 

[WhatTheDuck]

i knew the karlssons were going to end up being the villains in this sega

Pretty terrible post to be honest. The Karlsson's were being harassed and took a step that they thought would bring it to a halt. The villain is still the person writing the awful tweets.

 

[BM14]

Yeah, except Sharks fans.

Well to be honest, all other fans win as this is another hilarious indication at how putrid their franchise really is run and will be for the foreseeable future.

 

[Commander Clueless]

The legal proceedings and subsequent message board judgments have very little to do with the reason for trade.

The Sens had to make a move because the locker room was falling apart. That has not changed in hindsight.

Moving Hoffman AND Karlsson seems a bit like the nuclear option from a standpoint outside of the organization, but we don't know the full extent.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

It was just an excuse for our lying management/ownership to ship out Hoffman for a cheaper player all while being able to not say the word "rebuild" (the reason why they didn't want to trade with Florida, trading Hoffman for picks signals rebuild) so they could trick fans into buying season tickets.

 

[Kranix]

I blame Borowiecki for not keeping the peace and preventing all this. He'll do better this year.

 

[rumrokh]

This doesn't even approach clearing anyone. Some other people have mentioned this, but it bears repeating: it's not a ruling in a criminal case or an investigation. Caryk sought a Norwich Order, which, if fulfilled, would require Karlsson to fork over evidence she has so that Caryk can then sue some unknown person who slandered her or impersonated her.
The judge just said, hey, we don't have any reason to believe she has such evidence, we can't compel her to provide it, and other people have better access to the supposed information (such as the internet service provider). So if Caryk wants that information, Karlsson isn't legally obligated to provide it to her. That's it.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

They absolutely are not.

Agreed. The Villians are the real perpetrator of the attacks and also everyone who shamed the accused with no real evidence (including all of the senator wives).

 

[Rebels57]

Do we know the extent of the investigation? Were IP addresses of the disparaging posts tracked back to their source? I sincerely doubt a thorough investigation was done on this. It's not the best use of time and resources for law enforcement.

 

[BM14]

I blame Borowiecki for not keeping the peace and preventing all this. He'll do better this year.

Should wave him to send the message.

 

[57special]

Man, I bet Boudreau is glad he didn't sign on with OTT.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

The Karlsson's were being harassed and took a step that they thought would bring it to a halt. The villain is still the person writing the awful tweets.

Assuming there is even such a person.

Only a select few comments seem to have been provided and they came from random accounts and from the reports read, different IPs.

Is there even *a* person harassing Karlsson? Or are there just random nasty comments coming from various angry/nasty/trolling people on the internet, that have been transformed by Karlsson into harassment from a single source? At this point, there is no way to say with any certainty but it sure looks more like the latter than the former.

It was alleged by Karlsson there were thousands of comments but how many have been provided? How many came from the same account? How many came from the same IP? What were they saying?

I'm sure the Karlssons get nasty comments from time to time like any extremely public person does and I am sure that sucks. But there isn't any credible information out there that even allows an outside party to determine if the alleged stalker-ish harassment even took place at all.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Assuming there is even such a person.

Only a select few comments seem to have been provided and they came from random accounts and from the reports read, different IPs.

Is there even *a* person harassing Karlsson? Or are there just random nasty comments coming from various angry/nasty/trolling people on the internet, that have been transformed by Karlsson into harassment from a single source? At this point, there is no way to say with any certainty but it sure looks more like the latter than the former.

It was alleged by Karlsson there were thousands of comments but how many have been provided? How many came from the same account? How many came from the same IP? What were they saying?

I'm sure the Karlssons get nasty comments from time to time like any extremely public person does and I am sure that sucks. But there isn't any credible information out there that even allows an outside party to determine if the alleged stalker-ish harassment even took place at all.

The one comment about their child in itself was vile enough that someone should have to answer for it.

 

[rent free]

Dorion handled the situation terribly by trading Hoffman before this drama went away.

 

[TheBluePenguin]

Do we know the extent of the investigation? Were IP addresses of the disparaging posts tracked back to their source? I sincerely doubt a thorough investigation was done on this. It's not the best use of time and resources for law enforcement.

you are thinking like this happened to us normal people, these people have millions of dollars and lawyers to look into it,i would hope that someone got a specialist to try to track the IP/postings to see where they came from.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

There's a post about this on mainboard and this is not a trade rumour.

 

[DaveG]

Trading for Boedker though was very strange, they are trying to get rid of as much salary as possible everywhere else. Its really mismanagement on a whole new level. We thought Milbury was bad in the 2000's but its not close to as terrible as this has been. I am happy that the fans in Ottawa are taking the stance of not supporting this ownership/management group.

Nah Boedker totally makes sense, he has a cap hit a million higher than he actually is being paid. Sens have to meet the floor somehow and Boedker saves them more than 2.5m per compared to Hoffman.