Now that Hoffman's fiancee has been cleared, can we revisit this trade

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  1. ucanthanzalthetruth

    ucanthanzalthetruth Not a bandwaggoner

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    In case anyone missed it, there's been a ruling in Hoffman's fiancee's request for evidence:

    tl;dr

    There's no evidence she posted anything about Karlsson's wife, but the judge wouldn't rule that she didn't post it either, because there's no evidence either way.

    Mike Hoffman is a 60 point scorer on a bargain bin contract with multiple years left. Why did Ottawa move him for nothing, only to move Karlsson for nothing, when there's no actual evidence? This actually isn't a **** on the Sens post, I'm asking legitimately, does this not set a precedent in the league, if one player doesn't like another for example they can make these accusations and have the player shipped out?
     
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    We’re passed dead now
     
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    i knew the karlssons were going to end up being the villains in this sega
     
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    The internet overreacted and caused undue hardship to someone with no proof? Sounds about right.
     
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    It’s not just between Karlsson and Hoffman. Several other teammates SOs accused Hoffman’s of bullying. Hoffman wouldn’t have been welcome after Karlsson left probably

    Karlsson was traded because he wouldn’t commit to signing a contract at a discount.
     
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    When in doubt, blame Melnyk. Hoffman's trade was just one in a string of horrific moves.
     
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    His girl caused to much termoil regardless.
     
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    Sometimes you just gotta look at things black and white. Regardless who was at fault, there was clearly a disagreement between Hoffman and Karlsson that was unfortunately, publicised.

    It was not going to end in a hand shake agreement to just drop it. Hoffman was traded by questionable management to save face to the public. Karlsson had another reason to be turned off by the organization. All at the expense of Sens fans. I feel for them, good city and good people straight up being ****ed.
     
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    There was also clearly a problem between Hoffmans fiancee and almost all the other girlfriends on that team which was easily seen by all the support Karlsson and his wife got by them publicly when this got out.
     
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    “cleared” is not the word I would use.
     
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    It was a horrible, horrible trade regardless of the situation.
     
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    Super guilty
     
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    There is no evidence, so she is cleared.
     
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    No evidence either way, but the words of many other wives of sens players are worth noting. Also the OP is a bit generous of Hoffman, he's a 50 point streaky goal scorer. Not a 60 point game breaker
     
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    You could see that outcome coming from miles away. Well, maybe not based on the threads unfairly condemning Caryk around the internet based on obviously baseless accusations. But at least a few of us could.

    Hopefully, Caryk will sue the Karlssons and every other person who attacked her reputation.
     
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    Dorion doing Dorion things. The Burrows trade/signing/buyout or 2019 OTT first rounder management are on the same level of mental impairment.
     
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    danielpalfredsson is too old for sens drama

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    Dorion should have traded him for a soft return of futures with a conditional pick in there based on Hoffman either being traded or signing an extension by the end of his deal.

    So basically have a 2022 1st in the deal, but it only transfers if Hoffman is traded by the team acquiring him, or re-signs.

    Keep in mind, this was something I was suggesting before Hoffman was traded and subsequently flipped. I did not expect him to be re-traded so soon, I just thought the Senators should get some sort of insurance for if/when Hoffman's value rebounds due to the drama concluding.
     
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    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Doug Wilson did it.
     
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    The issue extended past the Karlsson's, Hoffman and his fiancee. It was an issue that as you can tell from comments involved many of the players significant others and by extension likely the players. There was no way for Hoffman to stay with the team regardless of what happened with Karlsson. Congrats you got a skilled player for peanuts, be grateful, dont be a dick.

    And trust me, it's not the first time a player was moved becuase of an issue in or outside of the dressing room, details usually remain private.
     
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    ^^ Yeah, but isn't it usually to do with a player screwing another guys wife, not a players girlfriend doing that?
     
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    being unable to prove something beyond doubt does not innocent make in the court of public opinion or even common sense. the threshold to make something actionable requires overwhelming certainty. suppositions do not. if karlsson's wife felt, with the support of the rest of the WAGs of the senators, that this sort of vitriol was consistent with what could be expected of hoffman's fiance, i consider that good enough without signed affidavits and getting witness statements. there's just so little incentive to defend this in court if you're the karlssons'. it's an ugly chapter that needed to be closed, but this ruling by no means exonerates her of being a terrible person if she is one.
     
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    Or it could be the queen saying one thing and accusing Caryk, and the rest following suit. Mob mentality looking for someone to blame.
     
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    In all fairness, many people came in supporting Karlsson's wife, with no one defending Caryk (other than her boyfriend) in this instance. They obviously had a pretty big reason to all side against Caryk, she is obviously a cancer in the wives/girlfriends group on that team, regardless of whether she posted bad things or not. Also, highly doubt, that Erik's wife just picked an arbitrary wive or girlfriend to heap blame on, what reason would she have to accuse someone of such terrible comments?
     
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