PoutineSp00nZ
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A Carkner that can actually justify his spot without dropping the mits.
It's only been a handful of games, but Boro is awesome
Post-Game Talk: November 8 Jets @ Sens: How not to win a shootout!
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A Carkner that can actually justify his spot without dropping the mits.
It's only been a handful of games, but Boro is awesome
OttawaSenators11
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hate the argument of well " we're just fans and the people running the show ( this case the coach) must know better over HF posters."
Win or lose - I don't see how someone can defend him choosing some of the least skilled guys for a " skills competition"
I don't need to watch practice everyday to tell me who has the best chance at scoring.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Boro, Cowen and Gryba are they type of defenders you dream about having in the playoffs. All 3 of them on this team(assuming they continue improving or remain as good as they have tonight) will make this team have a chance against any opponent.
Senacus Maximus
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Tell me that Greening, and Michalek to a lesser extent, were good choices. Come on I dare you.
I've met Greening in real life and I could tell just by looking at him that he isn't good in the shootout. I might as well be the coach.
God Says No
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Boro is incredible and looks amazing with Karlsson.
Murray knew what he was doing when he signed him for another 3 years at 1.2 mill
wouldn't be surprised if Boro's contract is one of the best in the league in the next couple years
Murray knew what he was doing when he signed him for another 3 years at 1.2 mill
wouldn't be surprised if Boro's contract is one of the best in the league in the next couple years
Nac Mac Feegle
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Gotta disagree. Sounds like the old Never question the authority figures. They are always right. routine. That's like saying we should never question Harper and the PCs because they have reams more info than we do on things.
Hoffman in particular was playing well tonight, Lazar had a nice game, Stone was decent, heck, even Neil was good. Any of them would've been a better choice over Greening had a poor game (as usual).
On another note, I'd say the over/under of games Greening will play in a Sens uniform until he's traded or waived is 5.
Cowen looking better every game.
Andy still razor sharp. And a big thumbs up to the rest of the team that are making a point of tying up players in front of the net and clearing rebounds.
Hopefully the CTC staff get their butts in gear and get that ice in better shape for the game against Toronto. Whatever was going on out there tonight was unacceptable.
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I dare someone to go and make a thread on the main boards about how we are the only team in the nhl who have not lost in regulation at home.
Nac Mac Feegle
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It would be such bad karma to do that hours before a Leafs game at CTC.
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Greening actually had a good game tonight. Played fast and physical and was a decent replacement for Chiasson.
I do still think he'll be waived when the time comes for Methot to come off the IR
DrEasy
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I agree, Greening was better than usual. I hate it that the coach put him in a situation where we end up dumping on him again. Not his fault.
PeterSidorkiewicz
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The shootout is such a crapshoot. If we won it and yes we could have, Maclean is a genius. Oh well.
DrEasy
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I don't blame the result. I blame the process (or lack thereof).
Neil scored on the PP. I am happy for Neil, but not happy about the idea of using him there. This is not 2009.
ChocolateLeclaire
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Bingo. Everyone is complaining about shooters 4 thru 6 but no one is discussing the pee pee poor attempts by the supposed "shootout specialists" of the team. All 3 were absolutely pathetic. At least the last three hit the goalie.
It was a tough point to lose but many positives.
-Cowen was beastly tonight
- Gryba needs to play every penalty kill
- Hoffman is a stud
- Anderson is in beast mode.
ChocolateLeclaire
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No Chiasson, no Ryan. I don't blame the coach with going with the guy who he knows is going to park himself in front of the net.
The hunch paid off.
DrEasy
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It would definitely be ok if he only did it due to the absence of Ryan and Chiasson...
The same posters saying the same crap, the only thing that changes are the players. So many armchair gm's with a mouthpiece.
Just gonna throw this out there for the special folk...
Maybe, just maybe, McL put out the guys that show best on the SO in practice. Maybe that's it...
No, no, it's because he's stupid, and you in your chair should have the job...
Pathetic, and it's always the same posters...
Just gonna throw this out there for the special folk...
Maybe, just maybe, McL put out the guys that show best on the SO in practice. Maybe that's it...
No, no, it's because he's stupid, and you in your chair should have the job...
Pathetic, and it's always the same posters...
BonkTastic
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Tell me that Greening, and Michalek to a lesser extent, were good choices. Come on I dare you.
I'm not saying Greening or Michalek or Legwand were good or bad choices.
I'm saying if you're giving me a choice between "the coach probably sees these guys practice this stuff", and these kinds of responses...
Whoever made those shootout selections needs investigation for a neurodegenerative disorder.
... then I'll take the former, instead of the latter.
It's one thing to question the motives of a coach for the decisions he makes, but it's another thing entirely to make some of the desperately sad & ****ing awful character statements some posters around here make.
Was Greening a bad choice? Probably, yeah. Is Maclean a "fool" or a "moron", or... wait, let me go check the GDT for some more ****ing GEMS of posts we had over there:
- "****ing idiot"
- "you were an idiot"
- "MacLean is a ****ing moron."
- "Your a ****ing incompetent fool"
- "MacLean is a moron."
- "Complete and utter incompetency."
... and so on, and so forth?
My entire point was: Maclean obviously made the choices for a reason. Maybe Greening was KILLING it in practice on shootout attempts for like weeks on end. Also: Legwand is historically actually pretty good in shootouts... did anyone ever care to look at his career numbers in Nashville? Spoiler alert: it's 33%. Know what the baseline average for shootout attempts for shooters in the NHL is? ~32%.
Michalek's average is about 28%... lower than average, which is maybe why he wasn't picked for the top 3?
Anyone know what MacArthur's shootout record is? Since 2006, it's 0%. He's gone 0/13, playing with 4 different teams in that span.
What I'm saying here... how many people who called Maclean "a moron" bothered to do even a tiny amount of fact checking. You know how long it took me to find those stats? 5 minutes. If that. How many people who called him "an idiot" knows Hoffman went 1/4 in shootouts last year in the AHL for Binghamton? And that he went 1/4 the year before that for Bingo? And 1/4 the year before that? And 2/6 in his rookie year. His career MINOR LEAGUE record is 5/18 - that's ~27%, which is below NHL standards... and that's against AHL caliber goaltending.
Like, c'mon. I hate the shootout as much as the next guy, but at least I can separate the Rob Schremp Memorial Skills Event from a player's talent in a 60-minute game. Players who are excellent 60-minute guys can be balls-awful at the shootout, and vice versa: guys who couldn't play a regular shift to save their lives can sometimes be irregularly excellent at it.
I'm not saying we can't criticize the coach, but I CERTAINLY AS HELL WILL NOT be throwing him under the bus by saying he's a moron. He has stats at his disposal that I guarantee 90% of posters here didn't bother to check. He sees guys in closed practices that I guarantee 99% of posters here can't see. He's privy to information that posters here both don't have access to, and don't bother to access. What I'm saying here is: if we're going to have this discussion, let's have it in earnest and be honest about the context, and not have the typical HFSens Pile On(TM). You want to say Maclean made bad decisions in choosing the shooters? I'M TOTALLY OK WITH THAT. You want to say that Maclean is a moron, or an idiot, because he made an educated guess based on some context that he had (whether it be historical stats - which actually somewhat justify his choices - , or something he saw in practice, or whether they had advanced scouting on Pavelec - for example "he's weak high blocker side, let's get our best high blocker side shooters", or some other info we may not be privy to), well, yeah. I have a problem with that.
I'm all for challenging the coaches decisions, but I guarantee that the pile on here is unwarranted. Like, I just gave you some raw numbers. Maybe we can't trust those numbers, because of some other reason? Great, let's discuss that. At least let's argue some facts, instead of "OMFG, COACH SUXEZ". Maclean clearly had reasons for choosing the guys he did tonight, he didn't just open a fortune cookie that said "MICHALEK GREENING LEGWAND" and decided that to hell with it, I'm doing what the cookie told me to. Maybe they were bad decisions, and I think with HINDSIGHT we can say that they were... but right there, I gave you SOME rationale for the decisions, and I don't even see these guys practice. Legwand is historically FAR better in the shootout than MacArthur. Hoffman has a lower shooting percentage against minor league goaltending than the NHL average against NHL goaltending. Bang. There you go: 2 possible reasons to have made the choices he did. Were they the right choices? Maybe. Maybe not. But at least the decision, in SOME CONTEXT, makes a bit of sense.
If all a poster is going to do is call the coach a moron, and fall back on the "MMWEEEHHH, HE'S SO BAD AND ANY IDIOT CAN SEE IT" argument, and not even care to know any of the background, or consider that these decisions are made with SOME context, then I don't know what to do other than interpret the claim of the coach being a moron to be nothing other than hot air.
Also, for the record: That was Greening's 1st ever NHL shootout attempt. Use that information as you will.
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Xspyrit
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lol at people whining that MacArthur didn't get a chance in the shootout, he's like 0 for 13 in his career 
I think coaching goes by sucess rate and Michalek and Legwand are easily among the best 6 Sens (actually have very respectable %). Greening I don't know and why they don't try the kids faster I dunno. In fact I didn't even watch the game yet but found the 1st PGT page very amusing!
Yup Bonk, this name calling makes this fanbase look very bad... You'd think what happened the day When the game was canceled would change something... Well, try again!
And got the fact checking, I have been repeating ad nauseam the same facts,
Almost after every shootout, yet people choose to opt for brainless posting. Oh well, freaking hilarious, this "emosity" is something else
I think coaching goes by sucess rate and Michalek and Legwand are easily among the best 6 Sens (actually have very respectable %). Greening I don't know and why they don't try the kids faster I dunno. In fact I didn't even watch the game yet but found the 1st PGT page very amusing!
Yup Bonk, this name calling makes this fanbase look very bad... You'd think what happened the day When the game was canceled would change something... Well, try again!
And got the fact checking, I have been repeating ad nauseam the same facts,
Almost after every shootout, yet people choose to opt for brainless posting. Oh well, freaking hilarious, this "emosity" is something else
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