Value of: Nolan Patrick

[ValeriKamensky]

Hard to predict value of the player who missed season. Especially if you consider him top-6 center for your team.
But if you see him as a 3C, you should know: his defensive responsibility is really overrated. Even in WHL. I really have no idea how some experts compared him to Anze Kopitar. I say about this not only as a Flyers fan but as a fan of junior hockey who have been watching him in Brandon many many times.
It’s not only “eye test”. His some advanced metrics even worse than JVR, Simmer and even TK. As you know this guys never was great defensive players. No need to talk about comparison to another Flyers centermen.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Hard to predict value of the player who missed season. Especially if you consider him top-6 center for your team.
But if you see him as a 3C, you should know: his defensive responsibility is really overrated. Even in WHL. I really have no idea how some experts compared him to Anze Kopitar. I say about this not only as a Flyers fan but as a fan of junior hockey who have been watching him in Brandon many many times.
It’s not only “eye test”. His some advanced metrics even worse than JVR, Simmer and even TK. As you know this guys never was great defensive players. No need to talk about comparison to another Flyers centermen.

Really I thought that was his strong suit. I seen Towes as an comparison. Let’s say Bergeron is 10 in his own end and Alexander Semin is a 1 where would Nolan Patrick rank on that scale

 

[Starat327]

His trade value is exceptionally low right now because of the uncertainty with his future (those that say he hasn't played well clearly haven't watched him at all). That said, The flyers have no use for mid round picks as they already have an insanely deep talent pool to draw from. He'll get a 1 year deal at a low price this off-season, and sign it because he has no leverage at all, and then we'll continue to help him get the best medical care he can get (whoever it was that said the flyers have 'mismanaged' his healthcare are clearly not in touch with the situation. He has even mentioned that the flyers care for his health has been extraordinary).

Any attempt at a successful trade for him would have to bring back the on-ice value of a mid-6 Center, which is where we value his future potential to be. Given the uncertainty around his health and if he'll ever play again - I don't expect that to happen. But the flyers are in a strong position where they dont have to feel pressure to gamble it because they already have two strong top 6 centers, and Morgan Frost who should make the team next year as the 3c (he should be this year, but I digress).

 

[Flukeshot]

Pretend time... If the Flyers had to trade Patrick for a single pick in the 2020 draft, what's the highest pick they can get?

 

[93LEAFS]

Pretend time... If the Flyers had to trade Patrick for a single pick in the 2020 draft, what's the highest pick they can get?

Considering it is almost impossible for the team trading for him to do a thorough medical right now. A late 2nd or a 3rd, which means he won't get traded.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Pretend time... If the Flyers had to trade Patrick for a single pick in the 2020 draft, what's the highest pick they can get?

Reality time since draft is happening in June NO PLAYER will be traded at draft let alone Patrick and his situation.

 

[Flukeshot]

Reality time since draft is happening in June NO PLAYER will be traded at draft let alone Patrick and his situation.

False! Players can be traded any time but become ineligible for the playoffs. With Patrick's situation he's already unlikely to play and therefore a next season buy anyway.

The fantasy lives on!

 

[Flyer lurker]

False! Players can be traded any time but become ineligible for the playoffs. With Patrick's situation he's already unlikely to play and therefore a next season buy anyway.

The fantasy lives on!

No matter how low a percentage there is Patrick of coming back why in the Flyers right mind would they make it 0%? More playoff options the better. Atreu riding Falcor with a Jason hockey mask singing Eye of the Tiger has a better "chance" of happening then patrick being traded at draft.

 

[Flukeshot]

No matter how low a percentage there is Patrick of coming back why in the Flyers right mind would they make it 0%? More playoff options the better. Atreu riding Falcor with a Jason hockey mask singing Eye of the Tiger has a better "chance" of happening then patrick being traded at draft.

I'm going to need to see a photo shop of that before I make a judgement on it.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Pretend time... If the Flyers had to trade Patrick for a single pick in the 2020 draft, what's the highest pick they can get?

I’d offer Pittsburgh’s 1st if I were Minnesota’s GM.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Pretend time... If the Flyers had to trade Patrick for a single pick in the 2020 draft, what's the highest pick they can get?

habs don't really need C's now, but I'd part with 2 of montreal's 2nds in hopes he can get through the migraines. I think at worst, he projects as a Lars Eller, 2-way shut down C who can score a bit

 

[bernmeister]

No matter how low a percentage there is Patrick of coming back why in the Flyers right mind would they make it 0%? More playoff options the better. Atreu riding Falcor with a Jason hockey mask singing Eye of the Tiger has a better "chance" of happening then patrick being traded at draft.

yeah, as has been exhaustively covered Flyers have no reason to deal him given certainty of low return due to health concerns.

It's not like he is making, or could be making, enuf $ that the salary pushing on the cap is an issue. Accordingly, that out of the equation, it is about risk reward as to production.
A suitor will not overpay on maybe production
So why should PHI bid against itself and take less?

 

[Starat327]

Pretend time... If the Flyers had to trade Patrick for a single pick in the 2020 draft, what's the highest pick they can get?

Not one even remotely high enough to entice the Flyers to do it.

 

[Flukeshot]

Not one even remotely high enough to entice the Flyers to do it.

New Jersey has a chance at owning picks 6, 10, 12.
If they offered 10 or 12 you're not interested at all?

 

[Starat327]

New Jersey has a chance at owning picks 6, 10, 12.
If they offered 10 or 12 you're not interested at all?

I don't think Jersey would be silly enough to offer it, so it's kinda moot.

 

[Flukeshot]

I don't think Jersey would be silly enough to offer it, so it's kinda moot.

So that's a yes? You'd take 10th or 12th?
Moving on to the Sens 18th (nyi)...

 

[Starat327]

So that's a yes? You'd take 10th or 12th?
Moving on to the Sens 18th (nyi)...

I haven't followed the draft close enough to know who would realistically be available at 10/11 to say one way or the other. I'm inclined to say no, though. 18th is definitely too far out though, that i do know.

 

[CapnZin]

So that's a yes? You'd take 10th or 12th?
Moving on to the Sens 18th (nyi)...

Starat is right, it’s a moot point to talk about value when a players career is still in question. No GM, in their right mind, would offer anything of value until there is concrete information regarding Nolan Patrick’s future.

The flyers have invested in him, medically and professionally, during his time here. We have no reason to trade him either because it would be a PR mess in the short-term.

 

[Dooble08]

Agree with my fellow Flyers fans that it doesn't make much sense to trade him. His value isn't great at the moment because of medical questions surrounding him. These hypothetical 1st's probably wouldn't be offered by GM's at the moment, even with Patrick's upside. Plus, he's exactly what the Flyers need in their line-up. With how they were playing before the suspension of the season, adding Patrick back to the line-up would only bolster the roster for a playoff push.

 

[Flukeshot]

I agree it's a moot point. He's not going to be traded and it would look bad to do so...

But I mean I know I've got nothing else going on hockey wise so I'm willing to engage in conversation and speculation with the OP. It's more fun.

And with draft picks being the currency of the NHL trade market, reducing a player to his pick value is a fair basis to start with "what would it take".

 

[Starat327]

I agree it's a moot point. He's not going to be traded and it would look bad to do so...

But I mean I know I've got nothing else going on hockey wise so I'm willing to engage in conversation and speculation with the OP. It's more fun.

And with draft picks being the currency of the NHL trade market, reducing a player to his pick value is a fair basis to start with "what would it take".

I understand the sentiment, but here's the problem.

"I want a top 5 pick for patrick, otherwise, its not worth it"

"lol, patrick healthy doesnt get a top 5 picks, hes a bust. You can have a late 2nd and a 4th, he may never play again"

Meanwhile, we cant determine his true value because he hasnt played meaningful hockey in over a year at this point. Who knows what he has/hasnt developed into.

I think the closest weve gotten is someone offering up Pitt's 1st, which is still going to be early 20s at worst, and certainly isnt enough to consider- for me, anyway.

 

[ValeriKamensky]

Really I thought that was his strong suit. I seen Towes as an comparison. Let’s say Bergeron is 10 in his own end and Alexander Semin is a 1 where would Nolan Patrick rank on that scale

I’d say 4,5-5
Some Flyers fans thought he will be Couturier-before-2017 type of a player at worst case scenario. But not even close, absolutely different cases. For me Patrick is more poor man Tavares type of a player.
Remember how one scout said before the draft, something like “Patrick without a puck remind me Phil Esposito and it’s not a compliment”. I was absolutely agree with this report and agree now

 

[Unbiased Fan]

I’d say 4,5-5
Some Flyers fans thought he will be Couturier-before-2017 type of a player at worst case scenario. But not even close, absolutely different cases. For me Patrick is more poor man Tavares type of a player.
Remember how one scout said before the draft, something like “Patrick without a puck remind me Phil Esposito and it’s not a compliment”. I was absolutely agree with this report and agree now

The good thing is he has IQ and defensive play can be taught easier then offensive skill. He’s young and will get better. Do you think he’d fail in a shutdown role?

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

Rough go for the kid, hopefully he can get healthy and have a chance.

I wonder if this shut down will be enough time for him to recover.

 

[PDX Flyer]

The only NHL coaches he has played for is Hakstol and Gordon. No way the Flyers move him until they see what he does with real coaching.