Seravalli: Noah Hanifin is holding the Calgary Flames hostage in trade talks

[wintersej]

Last 3 seasons

Hanifin 120 points +46

Orlov 89 points +9

I can’t speak to usage for Orlov but Hanifin has some of the toughest minutes in the NHL. I’d also argue that Orlov has played with more talent. Hanifin is also 5 years younger. That’s a pretty huge gap. One guy is a 1/2 and one guy is a 3.

In the context of rentals the age doesn’t matter and while Hanifin’s ability to stay healthy certainly helps his counting stats, in the context of a 20 game rental, not sure how much Orlov’s tendency to miss 10-15 games matter. They both have been 0.5 PPG D that don’t need PP time but can play both special teams well.. Orlov has had more good playoff runs and has more ability to deliver the big hit which has playoff value. They are both #2s up until this season where Orlov has a really tough time adjusting to the Carolina system.

Obviously, Hanifin holds way more value long term. And I think Hanifin was a better player even last year. But it wasn’t way different.

 

[DFF]

Conroy has to trade him

Someone is going to get a good deal

I think he is going for picks and middling prospects.

 

[danpantz]

He wants to come home to Boston clearly

 

[Rschmitz]

f*** it

You can have all of our draft picks for the next two seasons.

That's like four late round picks but it sounds nice.

 

[DKH]

With them being outside a playoff spot trading first may not be the way to go. If he wants Tampa they’ll figure out over 7 years. Assuming Tampa wants him

Tkachuk is recruiting him so may be Florida

 

[Double Dion]

He wants to come home to Boston clearly

Apparently not. The two teams who he has interest in signing with are Tampa and Florida.

 

[Right Wing]

Barkov for a signed Hanifin sure

 

[Larry Hanson]

f*** it

You can have all of our draft picks for the next two seasons.

That's like four late round picks but it sounds nice.

That would be 13 picks including a 2nd and 2x3rds

 

[Master P]

f*** it

You can have all of our draft picks for the next two seasons.

That's like four late round picks but it sounds nice.

 

[Bond]

Conroy has to trade him

Someone is going to get a good deal

I think he is going for picks and middling prospects.

That’s pretty much every rental trade

 

[Rschmitz]

That would be 13 picks including a 2nd and 2x3rds

I forgot the

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think he ends up going to the team that offers him a long-term deal.

I'd go after him if I was Florida. But I see him ending up in Boston or Vegas.

 

[Right Wing]

He wants to come home to Boston clearly

Sure Hanifin for DeBrusk and Lohrei

 

[Right Wing]

Apparently not. The two teams who he has interest in signing with are Tampa and Florida.

Except neither team has any decent prospects or picks and probably won’t give up anyone on their roster

 

[Legion34]

This may be a controversial take to some north of the border here but its not exactly hard to convince someone to move from calgary to south florida. Not just athletes but just humans in general

Of course. I don’t think people doubt the natural appeal of Florida. Weather less media etc.

Hanafin has every right to not want to extend in Canada or anywhere else.

The tax advantage thing is completely separate for players just naturally wanting to go to Florida

 

[wintersej]

Of course. I don’t think people doubt the natural appeal of Florida. Weather less media etc.

Hanafin has every right to not want to extend in Canada or anywhere else.

The tax advantage thing is completely separate for players just naturally wanting to go to Florida

California, NY, Taxachusetts, don’t have trouble getting players. The tax thing is obviously real, but just one piece of a puzzle with a lot of pieces. If I was a player, I’d avoid Canada not because of weather and taxes but the fishbowl. (Although I bet my wife would have comments about the weather!)

 

[Master P]

I forgot the

Hard to tell these days.

 

[Legion34]

California, NY, Taxachusetts, don’t have trouble getting players. The tax thing is obviously real, but just one piece of a puzzle with a lot of pieces. If I was a player, I’d avoid Canada not because of weather and taxes but the fishbowl. (Although I bet my wife would have comments about the weather!)

Toronto doesn’t have a hard time getting or retaining players either.

The tax advantage is about players signing for less AAV and the same take home. Different issues that get conflated

 

[Nanuuk]

Apparently not. The two teams who he has interest in signing with are Tampa and Florida.

Kypreos was reporting yesterday that BOS is very much in the running and that Flames are working on an extension for Hanifin.

Fact or fiction, I do not know.

The only thing I do know is to take anything Seravalli says with a large dollop of salt.

 

[Double Dion]

Kypreos was reporting yesterday that BOS is very much in the running and that Flames are working on an extension for Hanifin.

Fact or fiction, I do not know.

The only thing I do know is to take anything Seravalli says with a large dollop of salt.

I think all those guys get used by GMs now. Seravalli did have Monahan going for a 1st which I thought was BS...

 

[bigbadbruins1]

Delete, wrong thread

 

[lawrence]

It be funny if it’s 8 teams that have no cap room for hanifan. Like the 8 teams with the least cap space.

 

[sxvnert]

Either Boston or Vegas makes the most sense.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Either Boston or Vegas makes the most sense.

Just mentioned on sportsnet that Tampa is his top choice.

Feels bad for Calgary as Tampa doesn't have much.