BoredBrandonPridham
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You remind me of some fans' predictions after Frattin's first few games...
Frattin was used the complete opposite way Anderson is
You remind me of some fans' predictions after Frattin's first few games...
Ya, its been widely reported that picks were available rather than this player as well as other teams being interested.You may not have
Was that reported? Because picks are more valuable to NJ, even mid rounds, than Anderson because of his age
Anderson is young but NJ would rather have the picks because of future ELCs for cap structure - plus we have 3-4 other prospects similar to Anderson who produce more offensively
I havent commented once on Johnsson other than to say Fitzgerald wouldnt have traded for him if Anderson was close to being better alreadyTry not to get emotional, I said I didn’t know if you were, but if you do than like I said, the last thing you should do is cap a kids potential - because you have no idea what could happen.
And let’s not pretend you’re versed in all that is Johnsson. You watched a highlight reel and now think you can dunk in our faces without having any context as to why he produced like he did.
No, the player NJ traded away (I'm a Wings fan so not sure where "you" comes from) has shown he can put up 6pts in 18 games at 23... Thats somehow "close" to Johnsson and his over 40pts hes already scored? Interesting theory.All you're saying is that younger players who aren't as good yet have risk associated to them. This is not an insightful or interesting argument to make.
Someone said "as long as Johnsson can produce 40pts, we're good!" My argument is that the player you just traded away has only shown that he is actually close to that, if given the same usage Johnsson is getting when he hit 40pts. And that player is 3yrs younger.
Johnsson is good for about 25pts 5v5, and that's at 60% OZS%. He'll like put up less if you give him the defensive 5v5 usage Anderson had.
Good luck.
No all you have done is take an already hilariously small sample size and made it even smaller by reducing it to 5v5 production in very limited ice time.What is "Johnsson right now" then? What's your assessment of how good he is, v.s. Anderson? Are you just looking at points? Because if so, I have sufficiently debunked the points argument for Johnsson >>> Anderson, as in similar contexts they are actually have produced pretty similar the main difference being is that Johnsson has been given PP time.
I mean, at Anderson's age, Johnsson hadn't even played an NHL game yet, let alone putting up similar 5v5 production, with Anderson getting tougher minutes.
No all you have done is take an already hilariously small sample size and made it even smaller by reducing it to 5v5 production in very limited ice time.
Here is a fun tid bit for you:
Take almost any player in a sub 20 game sample playing limited minutes and youll get some laugh worthy stats to "show" how good a player in
Yamamoto produced better 5v5 than Point, Draisaitl, Ovi and Kane. So he must have potential to be the best in the league, right?
Suomela (who) produced better 5v5 than Gaudreau, Tavares and Dubois. Looks like hes a future star!
Travis Boyd produced better than Horvat, Kopitar and Larkin. Must be a 1st line C, right?
Lets not forget Jayce Hawrlyk scoring at a better pace than Taylor Hall, Landeskog and Getzlaf. What's he doing in the mimors!?
Now maybe you'll realize how ridiculous you sound.
I havent commented once on Johnsson other than to say Fitzgerald wouldnt have traded for him if Anderson was close to being better already
Oh of course! I wasn’t saying Joey cannot EVER be better than a fourth liner. But the likelihood is low and thats from a majority of Devils fans after viewing him. His playstyle is great but hes a bit small to capitalize on his grindy-type gameplay, also his offensive potential is limited as he focuses more on the defensive side.I didn’t see where anyone said he was close to being better than Johnsson. If that’s the case then I agree with you.
My entire angle is about potential - too often people are quick to cap it, and then we see players like Gavrikov (who was a 7th rounder picked a year before Anderson) who after 69 games has seen his stock rise quite a bit. Anderson could end up just a 13th forward, but I think they believe he has the potential to be more.
more icetime could change that when hes fully healthy. I mean hes a 3rd liner but thats not to say he CAN'T become a 2nd liner. He's still young with potential. all he needs is opportunity. like Connor Brown whos projected to be a 1st liner on a terrible Sens squad.No, the player NJ traded away (I'm a Wings fan so not sure where "you" comes from) has shown he can put up 6pts in 18 games at 23... Thats somehow "close" to Johnsson and his over 40pts hes already scored? Interesting theory.
Absolutely nothing about Anderson's game has shown he can be a top 6 forward putting up 40+pts
Any player "can" become a 2nd line player but for now hes a guy who scored 6pts in 18 games (not even 3rd line) and theres really nothing to suggest hes a future 2nd line playermore icetime could change that when hes fully healthy. I mean hes a 3rd liner but thats not to say he CAN'T become a 2nd liner. He's still young with potential. all he needs is opportunity. like Connor Brown whos projected to be a 1st liner on a terrible Sens squad.
Joey Anderson if he becomes a solid bottom 6 role player I'll be happy.
The return was kinda meh but way I look at this
AJ
for
Joey Anderson
TJ Brodie
kinda wish NJ included a 3rd or 4th too
Theres a Leaf fan in here who's saying hes just as good as Johnsson and the only difference in their production is ice time...I didn’t see where anyone said he was close to being better than Johnsson. If that’s the case then I agree with you.
My entire angle is about potential - too often people are quick to cap it, and then we see players like Gavrikov (who was a 7th rounder picked a year before Anderson) who after 69 games has seen his stock rise quite a bit. Anderson could end up just a 13th forward, but I think they believe he has the potential to be more.
I agree with the principal of what you said, but I think you got a little "Leaf fan-ish" with that percentage. I saw a large number of posters claim AJ's value was a 1st but given the flat cap maybe 2 x 2nds or a 2nd and a 3rd. Some posters are more reasonable than others with all fan bases, but you might be mis-remembering some of the AJ posts from 2-3 months ago.I also remember those threads being absolutely Full of Leafs fans saying the proposal wasn't enough for Manson, or whatever other RHD.
I remember because I was one of them. Along with %95 of Toronto fans.
Sorry for those few silly proposals. Try ignoring those OPs.
He's had a very rough year with injuries. and he put up 43 points in 73 games the year before.Any player "can" become a 2nd line player but for now hes a guy who scored 6pts in 18 games (not even 3rd line) and theres really nothing to suggest hes a future 2nd line player
Im talking about Anderson and Leaf fans expecting him to be just as good as Johnsson.He's had a very rough year with injuries. and he put up 43 points in 73 games the year before.
even with his injuries and playing on the 3rd line he was still on pace or close to match that total if he played all 82 games.
21 points in 43 games with an injury riddled season isn't that bad.
He's only 25... Let's see how he does when he's healthy again. prob going to do well in NJ.
Oooooh. I hope he becomes a solid 20-30 point 3rd liner that plays the PK and does all the little things right. no way in hell he becomes a 2nd liner. I just dont think Joey Anderson has that kinda scoring potential.Im talking about Anderson and Leaf fans expecting him to be just as good as Johnsson.
I expect Johnsson to have a great season with NJ
I just read the entire 7 pages of the thread you posted. I blocked KaprizovEntitleist (for obvious reasons) a long time ago so I was not able to read any of his posts, however the thread was pretty respectful I would go as far as to say the Leaf posters were far more rude and disrespectful than any of the Wild posters. Why aren't you also bringing up the fact that so many Leaf fans were convinced AJ had higher trade value than he actually had, if you want to point out discrepancies? You seem like you just wanted to play the victim card in this post.This is amazing. Three weeks ago Johnnson was "trash", had "negative value". It says so many times - right here:
Proposal: - MIN-TOR Marcus Foligno for Andreas Johnsson
Today Johnsson is a pretty good player. How did he improve so much in such a short time?
Who ever compared Frattin to Anderson as a player ?Frattin was used the complete opposite way Anderson is
Welcome to Leafs making moves with your team.This trade was not big enough to warrant 24 pages.
May not be fancy analytics or anything but , Anderson could not crack the Devils lineup . Yes , the team that did not even make the playoff play-in round . In limited viewings (only his NHL games ) , he looks like a capable bottom 6 forward. He has shown nothing to suggest he is going to be as good as Johnsson . Yet.
His stats history has shown the same. He was never an elite scorer at any level . Sure he could still turn out to be as good or better than Johnsson , stranger things have happened. I however would not bet on it and would be very surprised if he did.
I’m not rooting against him , I hope he ends up being a full time NHL player . But for now , Johnsson is the superior player and I’m glad to have him on the Devils.
Hopefully Leaf fans can say the same about Anderson .
Anderson turned 22 in June, are you from the future?No, the player NJ traded away (I'm a Wings fan so not sure where "you" comes from) has shown he can put up 6pts in 18 games at 23... Thats somehow "close" to Johnsson and his over 40pts hes already scored? Interesting theory.
Absolutely nothing about Anderson's game has shown he can be a top 6 forward putting up 40+pts
Anderson turned 22 in June, are you from the future?
i still would bet that sequel II two, won't reach 24 pages.This trade was not big enough to warrant 24 pages.